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BRAINS + U = BANSURI
BRAINS + M = MINBARS
BANSURI + M = MINBARS + U = URBANISM. Which is pretty neat.
But also, BANSURI + E = URBANISE, and URBANISE+M = URBANISM+E = SUBMARINE!
Cool, a lattice! You can recognise a lattice as a pattern that fits together with a start (BRAINS), an end (SUBMARINE) and has no other dead ends.
Obvious question: what's the biggest lattice? You're entitled to use solvers or any other tricks you like in this game.
Obviously David O'Donnell can't find lattices so he's not allowed to enter this game.
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That's pretty cool. Bastard hard work to find one manually though.
Do you know the answer?
Do you know the answer?
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Nope. I found the initial one manually by messing about with the Stemmer, and I noticed you could add SUBMARINE when I was sitting back smuggly with URBANISE/URBANISM and Innis hit me with SUBMARINEJon Corby wrote:Do you know the answer?
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Interesting. Are we only considering complete lattices (every possible link exists) or are we allowed to leave links out as long as what's left is still a lattice?
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Clearly we need a reverse stemmer - although maybe that takes the fun out of it (these are quite neat, although I'm still debating strategies).
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There we go, at least someone agrees with me, even if it's Raccoon Boy.Michael Wallace wrote:Clearly we need a reverse stemmer
16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
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Raccoon Boy?Kai Laddiman wrote:There we go, at least someone agrees with me, even if it's Raccoon Boy.
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I don't know if this counts because at least one of the words (AMOSITE) has alternative anagrams (ATOMIES and ATOMISE):
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That's pretty good.
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Thank youCharlie Reams wrote:That's pretty good.
There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
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Srsly? Took me about 5 seconds to come up with DOG -> DONG/DOGS -> DONGS. And mine even has a synonym for penis.Joseph Bolas wrote:Thank youCharlie Reams wrote:That's pretty good.
There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
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Or even SIN -> SINE/PINS -> PENIS. No synonym required.Charlie Reams wrote:Srsly? Took me about 5 seconds to come up with DOG -> DONG/DOGS -> DONGS. And mine even has a synonym for penis.Joseph Bolas wrote:There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
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A AS/AT SAT SEAT/STAR STARE ASTERN/SATIRE RETSINA PAINTERS/ANGRIEST TRAPESING
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
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I always start with a 9-letter word and see how far back I can get the lattice to (it makes it more challenging )Charlie Reams wrote:Srsly? Took me about 5 seconds to come up with DOG -> DONG/DOGS -> DONGS. And mine even has a synonym for penis.Joseph Bolas wrote:Thank youCharlie Reams wrote:That's pretty good.
There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
What I actually meant was that there has to be at least one 3 to 9-letter word lattice and one 4 to 9-letter word lattice
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Works for me. It's pretty easy to come up with long ones, it's the wide ones that are harder.David Williams wrote:A AS/AT SAT SEAT/STAR STARE ASTERN/SATIRE RETSINA PAINTERS/ANGRIEST TRAPESING
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
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You bastard, you're never going to let that lie ... are you?Charlie Reams wrote: Obviously David O'Donnell can't find lattices so he's not allowed to enter this game.
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This doesn't break the rules; I thought TRAPESING might be a misspelling but it turns out it's an acceptable alternative.David Williams wrote:A AS/AT SAT SEAT/STAR STARE ASTERN/SATIRE RETSINA PAINTERS/ANGRIEST TRAPESING
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
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Credit me with some sophistication, please.Charlie Reams wrote:Works for me. It's pretty easy to come up with long ones, it's the wide ones that are harder.
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This is my my best effort. Entirely hand-constructed, although working through a lattice of that size gave me some ideas on how it could be done automatically with some efficiency. I think the most satisfying bit was finding the line A/AN/SAN/ANUS/MANUS/ANIMUS/SURAMIN/URBANISM, because it looked for a while like I wouldn't be able to hook all that back into the main lattice.
Notice that I didn't bother to pursue the other four branches from A because my paper was running out and my brain was about to explode, but there's no doubt some other good stuff to be found in those regions if anyone else cares to explore. Oh, and if you're willing to go up to 10 then adding SUBMARINES to the end probably introduces a lot more possibilities too.
Notice that I didn't bother to pursue the other four branches from A because my paper was running out and my brain was about to explode, but there's no doubt some other good stuff to be found in those regions if anyone else cares to explore. Oh, and if you're willing to go up to 10 then adding SUBMARINES to the end probably introduces a lot more possibilities too.
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Wow Charlie exploded
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How about this (although I have probably made a mistake somewhere ):
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Joseph Bolas wrote:How about this (although I have porbably made a mistake somewhere ):
There.
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16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
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I did mean the (now redesigned) latticeKai Laddiman wrote:There.Joseph Bolas wrote:How about this (although I have porbably made a mistake somewhere ):
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A
AS AT
SEA SAT ANT
SEAR SEAT ANTS ANTI
RAGES STARE ANTES STAIN PAINT
GRATES ASTERN TISANE PAINTS
STRANGE RETSINA PANTIES
ANGRIEST PAINTERS
TRAPESING
Quite poetic!
AS AT
SEA SAT ANT
SEAR SEAT ANTS ANTI
RAGES STARE ANTES STAIN PAINT
GRATES ASTERN TISANE PAINTS
STRANGE RETSINA PANTIES
ANGRIEST PAINTERS
TRAPESING
Quite poetic!
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Code: Select all
TRAIN
RATION STRAIN
RATIONS TARNISH RETAINS
NOTARISE HAIRNETS
HORTENSIA
(tries again)
Code: Select all
ANTES
ASTERN STAMEN
RETAINS SMARTEN MAGNETS
MINARETS GARMENTS
MASTERING