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by Charlie Reams » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:44 am
BRAINS + U = BANSURI
BRAINS + M = MINBARS
BANSURI + M = MINBARS + U = URBANISM. Which is pretty neat.
But also, BANSURI + E = URBANISE, and URBANISE+M = URBANISM+E = SUBMARINE!
Cool, a lattice! You can recognise a lattice as a pattern that fits together with a start (BRAINS), an end (SUBMARINE) and has no other dead ends.
Obvious question: what's the biggest lattice? You're entitled to use solvers or any other tricks you like in this game.
Obviously David O'Donnell can't find lattices so he's not allowed to enter this game.
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by Jon Corby » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:17 pm
That's pretty cool. Bastard hard work to find one manually though.
Do you know the answer?
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by Charlie Reams » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:24 pm
Jon Corby wrote: Do you know the answer?
Nope. I found the initial one manually by messing about with the Stemmer, and I noticed you could add SUBMARINE when I was sitting back smuggly with URBANISE/URBANISM and Innis hit me with SUBMARINE
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by Paul Howe » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:01 pm
Interesting. Are we only considering complete lattices (every possible link exists) or are we allowed to leave links out as long as what's left is still a lattice?
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by Michael Wallace » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:47 pm
Clearly we need a reverse stemmer - although maybe that takes the fun out of it (these are quite neat, although I'm still debating strategies).
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by Kai Laddiman » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:29 pm
Michael Wallace wrote: Clearly we need a reverse stemmer
There we go, at least
someone agrees with me, even if it's Raccoon Boy.
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by Jon Corby » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:45 pm
Kai Laddiman wrote: There we go, at least someone agrees with me, even if it's Raccoon Boy.
Raccoon Boy?
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by Joseph Bolas » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:29 am
I don't know if this counts because at least one of the words (AMOSITE) has alternative anagrams (ATOMIES and ATOMISE):
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by Joseph Bolas » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:57 pm
Charlie Reams wrote: That's pretty good.
Thank you
There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
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by Charlie Reams » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:21 pm
Joseph Bolas wrote: Charlie Reams wrote: That's pretty good.
Thank you
There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
Srsly? Took me about 5 seconds to come up with DOG -> DONG/DOGS -> DONGS. And mine even has a synonym for penis.
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by Phil Reynolds » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:24 pm
Charlie Reams wrote: Joseph Bolas wrote: There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
Srsly? Took me about 5 seconds to come up with DOG -> DONG/DOGS -> DONGS. And mine even has a synonym for penis.
Or even SIN -> SINE/PINS -> PENIS. No synonym required.
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by David Williams » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:31 pm
A AS/AT SAT SEAT/STAR STARE ASTERN/SATIRE RETSINA PAINTERS/ANGRIEST TRAPESING
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
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by Joseph Bolas » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:31 pm
Charlie Reams wrote: Joseph Bolas wrote: Charlie Reams wrote: That's pretty good.
Thank you
There's got be at least one lattice for a 4-letter word and even a 3-letter word, but haven't found one yet.
Srsly? Took me about 5 seconds to come up with DOG -> DONG/DOGS -> DONGS. And mine even has a synonym for penis.
I always start with a 9-letter word and see how far back I can get the lattice to
(it makes it more challenging
)
What I actually meant was that there has to be at least one 3 to 9-letter word lattice and one 4 to 9-letter word lattice
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by Charlie Reams » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:49 pm
David Williams wrote: A AS/AT SAT SEAT/STAR STARE ASTERN/SATIRE RETSINA PAINTERS/ANGRIEST TRAPESING
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
Works for me. It's pretty easy to come up with long ones, it's the wide ones that are harder.
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by David O'Donnell » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:20 pm
Charlie Reams wrote:
Obviously David O'Donnell can't find lattices so he's not allowed to enter this game.
You bastard, you're never going to let that lie ... are you?
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by Phil Reynolds » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:34 pm
David Williams wrote: A AS/AT SAT SEAT/STAR STARE ASTERN/SATIRE RETSINA PAINTERS/ANGRIEST TRAPESING
Just read this properly. Thought it was too easy! Back to the drawing board!
This doesn't break the rules; I thought TRAPESING might be a misspelling but it turns out it's an acceptable alternative.
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by Phil Reynolds » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:35 pm
Charlie Reams wrote: Works for me. It's pretty easy to come up with long ones, it's the wide ones that are harder.
*eagerly awaits reply from Phil Reynolds*
Credit me with
some sophistication, please.
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by Charlie Reams » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:56 pm
This is my
my best effort . Entirely hand-constructed, although working through a lattice of that size gave me some ideas on how it could be done automatically with some efficiency. I think the most satisfying bit was finding the line A/AN/SAN/ANUS/MANUS/ANIMUS/SURAMIN/URBANISM, because it looked for a while like I wouldn't be able to hook all that back into the main lattice.
Notice that I didn't bother to pursue the other four branches from A because my paper was running out and my brain was about to explode, but there's no doubt some other good stuff to be found in those regions if anyone else cares to explore. Oh, and if you're willing to go up to 10 then adding SUBMARINES to the end probably introduces a lot more possibilities too.
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by Dinos Sfyris » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:34 pm
Wow Charlie exploded
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by Joseph Bolas » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:56 pm
How about this (although I have probably made a mistake somewhere
):
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by Kai Laddiman » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:36 pm
Joseph Bolas wrote: How about this (although I have
porbably made a mistake somewhere
):
There.
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by Joseph Bolas » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:41 pm
Kai Laddiman wrote: Joseph Bolas wrote: How about this (although I have
porbably made a mistake somewhere
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There.
I did mean the (now redesigned) lattice
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by David Williams » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:30 pm
A
AS AT
SEA SAT ANT
SEAR SEAT ANTS ANTI
RAGES STARE ANTES STAIN PAINT
GRATES ASTERN TISANE PAINTS
STRANGE RETSINA PANTIES
ANGRIEST PAINTERS
TRAPESING
Quite poetic!
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by Joseph Krol » Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:12 pm
Code: Select all
TRAIN
RATION STRAIN
RATIONS TARNISH RETAINS
NOTARISE HAIRNETS
HORTENSIA
Damn. That doesn't work.
(tries again)
Code: Select all
ANTES
ASTERN STAMEN
RETAINS SMARTEN MAGNETS
MINARETS GARMENTS
MASTERING
I think that one works.