Lady Gaga

Andrew Herbertson · Post by **Andrew Herbertson** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:43 pm

I seem to have started to like Lady Gaga is this wrong ?

Jeffrey Burgin · Post by **Jeffrey Burgin** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:50 am

No if it's on the basis of her videos, yes if it's on the basis of her live. My word, she looks raw as fuck on stage.

Jason Larsen · Post by **Jason Larsen** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:34 pm

Why haven't I heard very much about her on the news lately?

JimBentley · Post by **JimBentley** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:21 pm

I'm not much keen on her music, but she does appear to be completely insane, which is obviously a good thing (especially now Michael Jackson's dead). So yeah, I quite like it that she's around, cos you can never be sure what she's going to do next. She might start walking around naked on stilts or perform concerts wearing a giant mask of Adolf Hitler or bite someone's ear off in the street or something.

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:57 am

I had never heard of Lady GaGa until I saw a recording of her performance at Glastonbury on BBC Three. To start with, the rather silly BBC presenters, or whatever they are, couldn't stop telling us how outrageous GaGa was as though they were preparing us to shield our eyes from vile and depraved acts performed by GaGa. Of course this had to be nonsense because the BBC would never show such things. Still, just in case, I continued to watch.

When the show started with Warhol style images displayed on screens I thought I wasn't going to like her at all but still I continued to watch with some strange fascination. Things seemed to get more bizarre as GaGa appeared from the top of a pyramid wearing a huge silver mask and eventually she took the mask off to reveal her face. My assessment was, not bad if a little scary and not good looking in a classical sense but I found her attractive. When later on her body was revealed from behind the pyramid, and a lot of it was revealed, I think that was the point where it was almost kind of love at first sight, or maybe lust at first sight.

As the show went on she completely won me over with her crazy antics and very catchy songs and by the end I thought WOW! what a star. Her songs seemed to buzz around in my head for weeks. I sometimes find it annoying when pop songs buzz around in my head but the GaGa songs were fine. I bought her CD, The Fame, which is probably the first CD I have bought this year. Plus I downloaded a lot of her other songs from YouTube and I love most of them. GaGa is certainly the most talented singer/songwriter on the planet, in my opinion.

I started to wonder if there was something wrong with me and I discovered that indeed there was. I have been diagnosed with Compulsive Obsessive GaGa Disorder which is apparently an incurable condition. After reading some messages on her forum, it became obvious that I am nowhere near the worst case, not by a long long way.

Jon Corby · Post by **Jon Corby** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:54 am

Rumour is she has a pecker.

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:41 pm

Jon Corby wrote:Rumour is ...

You don't have to think about it for too long to realise that this particular rumour is extremely unlikely to be true.

GaGa is very successful and there are a lot of jealous people out there who could maliciously have started such a rumour.

Incidentally, the rumour doesn't even make this week's top twenty five Urban Legends.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:48 pm

I'm with Corby on this one.

Michael Wallace · Post by **Michael Wallace** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:50 pm

Colin Wood wrote:Incidentally, the rumour doesn't even make this week's top twenty five Urban Legends.

Presumably that's because it's true, and not an urban legend. QED, bitches.

David O'Donnell · Post by **David O'Donnell** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:51 pm

Jon Corby wrote:Rumour is she has a pecker.

So, it should be ..."Pecker Face"?

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:57 pm

Gaga wouldn't be the first.

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:03 pm

Michael Wallace wrote:
Colin Wood wrote:Incidentally, the rumour doesn't even make this week's top twenty five Urban Legends.
Presumably that's because it's true, and not an urban legend. QED, bitches.

If you had looked at the list you will have seen that some of the Urban Legends were flagged as true. In fact, if you look up the definition you will see that urban legends are not necessarily untrue.

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:05 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:I'm with Corby on this one.

So you think it's a rumour too. So what.

Phil Reynolds · Post by **Phil Reynolds** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:17 pm

If Colin Wood has a stiffy, does that make it a Woody Wood Pecker?

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:41 pm

Phil Reynolds wrote:

I have to say that I find your post very offensive.

I didn't know that personal insults about other members were allowed on forums like this but I am checking on it.

Michael Wallace · Post by **Michael Wallace** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:43 pm

Colin Wood wrote:If you had looked at the list you will have seen that some of the Urban Legends were flagged as true. In fact, if you look up the definition you will see that urban legends are not necessarily untrue.

Clearly I need to start adding more emoticons to my jokes.

Colin Wood wrote:
Phil Reynolds wrote:If Colin Wood has a stiffy, does that make it a Woody Wood Pecker?
I have to say that I find your post very offensive.

Why is that offensive? (and why is it a 'personal insult'?)

Jon Corby · Post by **Jon Corby** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:53 pm

Colin Wood wrote:
Jon Corby wrote:Rumour is ...
You don't have to think about it for too long to realise that this particular rumour is extremely unlikely to be true.

GaGa is very successful and there are a lot of jealous people out there who could maliciously have started such a rumour.

Incidentally, the rumour doesn't even make this week's top twenty five Urban Legends.

I thought she had actually said she was a hermaphrodite in an interview, although I didn't actually pay much attention because she strikes me as the kind of person who wouldn't care about saying stuff like that for lulz.

It wasn't meant as a negative! I saw her supporting Take That last month, and she was great.

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:20 pm

Michael Wallace wrote:
Colin Wood wrote:If you had looked at the list you will have seen that some of the Urban Legends were flagged as true. In fact, if you look up the definition you will see that urban legends are not necessarily untrue.
Clearly I need to start adding more emoticons to my jokes.

Colin Wood wrote:
Phil Reynolds wrote:If Colin Wood has a stiffy, does that make it a Woody Wood Pecker?
I have to say that I find your post very offensive.
Why is that offensive? (and why is it a 'personal insult'?)

Your post is increasing in size, originally it only had the emoticons bit in it. No worries on that one.

I personally wouldn't dream of making that sort of personal comment out of the blue on an internet forum. I guess we have different values.

Jeffrey Burgin · Post by **Jeffrey Burgin** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:24 pm

Wasn't Ciara an actual confirmed hermaphrodite? I'm sure that was a genuine one. Probably my second favourite R'n'B female artist rumour after the one about Lil' Kim having her stomach pumped due to over-excessive ingestion of, er, certain 'bodily fluids'. Let's just say she's a spunky character, that one.

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:25 pm

Jon Corby wrote:
Colin Wood wrote:
Jon Corby wrote:Rumour is ...
You don't have to think about it for too long to realise that this particular rumour is extremely unlikely to be true.

GaGa is very successful and there are a lot of jealous people out there who could maliciously have started such a rumour.

Incidentally, the rumour doesn't even make this week's top twenty five Urban Legends.
I thought she had actually said she was a hermaphrodite in an interview, although I didn't actually pay much attention because she strikes me as the kind of person who wouldn't care about saying stuff like that for lulz.

It wasn't meant as a negative! I saw her supporting Take That last month, and she was great.

Yeah, that interview was made up. Even if it was true, and I don't think for one minute it is, it wouldn't make any difference. After all, no one can help how they are born.

Derek Hazell · Post by **Derek Hazell** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:27 pm

Colin Wood wrote:I personally wouldn't dream of making that sort of personal comment out of the blue on an internet forum. I guess we have different values.

With the name Wood, there are only specific occasions when a joke can be made, such as the one where "pecker" and "Wood" were in the same discussion, which Phil picked up on.

How would you survive life if you had a name like Sidebottom, which is funny in any occasion?

Also, insulting each other on these forums is a perfectly natural behaviour pattern, just like stags in the wild seeing who can grow the biggest antlers.

(Although of course in this particular case there was a joke and no insult)

Phil Reynolds · Post by **Phil Reynolds** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:51 pm

Colin Wood wrote:
Michael Wallace wrote:Why is that offensive? (and why is it a 'personal insult'?)
I personally wouldn't dream of making that sort of personal comment out of the blue on an internet forum. I guess we have different values.

It wasn't meant to offend, but people can be offended by anything they choose so one can't legislate for that. However, my post wasn't a personal comment - it was just a pun on your name. It could have been anyone's name; it just so happened that (as the ever-sensible Dez has already pointed out) the juxtaposition of the words "wood" and "pecker" in the same thread was an open invitation to people like me who delight in puerile ribaldry. Sorry you took it personally. You'll read far more genuinely offensive material if you look around these forums more closely, believe me.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:04 pm

I think Colin is calling you a twat, Phil.

Ben Hunter · Post by **Ben Hunter** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:10 pm

My all-time favourite popstar rumour was that one from about twelve years ago that suggested Peter Andre had died due to him injecting something into his abs to make them bigger. It was the perfect time for such a rumour, just before the internet hit the mainstream and it wasn't possible fact check things straight away.

Other people who died when I was in year 7 included Dan Castellaneta (in a car crash) and Kel from Keanan and Kel (shot by gangstas for not acting black enough).

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:32 pm

Phil Reynolds wrote:
Colin Wood wrote:
Michael Wallace wrote:Why is that offensive? (and why is it a 'personal insult'?)
I personally wouldn't dream of making that sort of personal comment out of the blue on an internet forum. I guess we have different values.
It wasn't meant to offend, but people can be offended by anything they choose so one can't legislate for that. However, my post wasn't a personal comment - it was just a pun on your name. It could have been anyone's name; it just so happened that (as the ever-sensible Dez has already pointed out) the juxtaposition of the words "wood" and "pecker" in the same thread was an open invitation to people like me who delight in puerile ribaldry. Sorry you took it personally. You'll read far more genuinely offensive material if you look around these forums more closely, believe me.

OK I've had a think about it. It's not the kind of comment I would make and if I feel I'm under attack, sometimes the red mist descends.

Derek Hazell says that you guys make these sort of comments about each other all the time. You're a smart guy and you like to show it with your comments, right. I'm the new guy round here so it's a case of "When in Rome". If I don't like it I know what I can do. I can accept that.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire incident is forgotten.

JimBentley · Post by **JimBentley** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:18 pm

Jeffrey Burgin wrote:Wasn't Ciara an actual confirmed hermaphrodite? I'm sure that was a genuine one. Probably my second favourite R'n'B female artist rumour after the one about Lil' Kim having her stomach pumped due to over-excessive ingestion of, er, certain 'bodily fluids'. Let's just say she's a spunky character, that one.

Heh, that one was going around when I was at school, except it was about Marc Almond, what with Lil' Kim not having been invented yet. I can readily believe it of either of them, mind you.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:26 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Jeffrey Burgin wrote:Wasn't Ciara an actual confirmed hermaphrodite? I'm sure that was a genuine one. Probably my second favourite R'n'B female artist rumour after the one about Lil' Kim having her stomach pumped due to over-excessive ingestion of, er, certain 'bodily fluids'. Let's just say she's a spunky character, that one.
Heh, that one was going around when I was at school, except it was about Marc Almond, what with Lil' Kim not having been invented yet. I can readily believe it of either of them, mind you.

It was also going round at my school. You need a lot of young males to "pull off" a stunt like that.

David O'Donnell · Post by **David O'Donnell** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:57 am

Colin Wood wrote:
OK I've had a think about it. It's not the kind of comment I would make and if I feel I'm under attack, sometimes the red mist descends.

Derek Hazell says that you guys make these sort of comments about each other all the time. You're a smart guy and you like to show it with your comments, right. I'm the new guy round here so it's a case of "When in Rome". If I don't like it I know what I can do. I can accept that.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire incident is forgotten.

No-one ever really talks to one another like that, I am extremely shocked at Phil's post. If I were you I'd feel seriously aggrieved.

Jon Corby · Post by **Jon Corby** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:06 am

David O'Donnell wrote:
Colin Wood wrote:
OK I've had a think about it. It's not the kind of comment I would make and if I feel I'm under attack, sometimes the red mist descends.

Derek Hazell says that you guys make these sort of comments about each other all the time. You're a smart guy and you like to show it with your comments, right. I'm the new guy round here so it's a case of "When in Rome". If I don't like it I know what I can do. I can accept that.

As far as I'm concerned, the entire incident is forgotten.
No-one ever really talks to one another like that, I am extremely shocked at Phil's post. If I were you I'd feel seriously aggrieved.

I agree. Plus "forgetting about the incident" just makes you look weak, and will probably encourage other bullies of Phil's ilk to pick on you.

George Jenkins · Post by **George Jenkins** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:15 am

Colin Wood wrote:
Phil Reynolds wrote:
I have to say that I find your post very offensive.

I didn't know that personal insults about other members were allowed on forums like this but I am checking on it.

I understand your feelings Colin, and when I first joined this Forum, I found it a bit of a cultural shock. that was surprising to me, because I'm not the teeniest bit cultured. This Forum is used by different Generations, with different attitudes, musical tastes, humour and different sexual preferences, and some comments and jokes may cause offence. I also have a complaint. Just because I am a poor, feeble and frail old man with no teeth, the young nippers writing on this Forum make comments about me. But I can see through their cunning plan. They are hoping that I will die laughing. they will not succeed, because I have the perfect defence, I have the ability to laugh at myself, and little do they know how much I enjoy their comments. My two daughters came visiting this week, and relating to the subject that we talked about, I mentioned that "my dick doesn't work anymore". the girls and my Wife went hysterical with laughter. If I had said something like that to my Mother, she'd have fainted with embarrassment. This illustrates the difference with attitudes of then and now, and why I accept the open-ness of the Forum as the modern attitude. That doesn't mean that I intend to join in with their coarse humour. Wait a minute though, I think I just did.

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:15 am

http://thesuperficial.com/2009/08/lady_ ... the_wo.php

Ian Dent · Post by **Ian Dent** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:21 am

The Keenan and Kel rumour did the rounds.

Jimmy Gough · Post by **Jimmy Gough** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:13 pm

Ben Hunter wrote: Other people who died when I was in year 7 included Dan Castellaneta (in a car crash) and Kel from Keanan and Kel (shot by gangstas for not acting black enough).

Wow, I genuinely thought Kel was dead, except that he died from a heart attack and I always thought it strange that it was the thin one who died from a heart attack.

JasonCullen · Post by **JasonCullen** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:45 pm

Disappointed that GaGa's original music video of her latest video "Love Game" was heavily edited from a soft porno to a bog-standard one! But the cut version still will raise a few eyebrows for many and I'm surprised the reference to "I wanna take a ride on your disco stick" is not silenced out yet "bust that kick" is

. Oh well...still thinks she's great

Colin Wood · Post by **Colin Wood** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:34 am

Lady GaGa seems to have an orgasm on stage

Crazy girl but that's why I love her.

AndyB2007 · Post by **AndyB2007** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:49 pm

JasonCullen wrote:Disappointed that GaGa's original music video of her latest video "Love Game" was heavily edited from a soft porno to a bog-standard one! But the cut version still will raise a few eyebrows for many and I'm surprised the reference to "I wanna take a ride on your disco stick" is not silenced out yet "bust that kick" is . Oh well...still thinks she's great

Bumping this thread up after a while, but going off what Jason said, Love Game was banned by Channel Ten's Video Hits programme in Australia because of that disco stick line, as Ten's in house censors thought it was too sexually explicit.

Actually regarding music in Australia (and going a bit off topic here),the Florida-based rapper Khia Chambers saw her record, My Neck My Back (Lick It), which made No.4 on the UK singles chart back in 2004, and her album Thug Misses banned to children in Australia under 18 (as per the level three guideline issued by the Australian Record Industry Association back in 2001- the first 2 levels warn of explicit content) due to the content of her single, the lyrics of which I'm unable to repeat due to this forum having youngsters on here.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:52 pm

AndyB2007 wrote:I'm unable to repeat due to this forum having youngsters on here.

Feel free to moderate your own posts according to your own taste, but in general this is the Internet and it's not a kids' playground. Those kids who do use this place (there aren't many) do so under moderation from their parents. Those who aren't are likely to encounter stronger material than some song lyrics about dicks.

Kai Laddiman · Post by **Kai Laddiman** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:09 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:Those kids who do use this place (there aren't many) do so under moderation from their parents.

*looks around nervously*

JimBentley · Post by **JimBentley** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:12 pm

Oh god I'd forgotten how funny this was in the unexpurgated version (it was only ever the very very heavily edited radio version that got played when it was in the charts). "Lick my pussy and my crack" is the best ridiculous single entendre in a song since "darling, come here, fuck me up the rear". Sorry Kai etc.

AndyB2007 · Post by **AndyB2007** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:14 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
AndyB2007 wrote:I'm unable to repeat due to this forum having youngsters on here.
Feel free to moderate your own posts according to your own taste, but in general this is the Internet and it's not a kids' playground. Those kids who do use this place (there aren't many) do so under moderation from their parents. Those who aren't are likely to encounter stronger material than some song lyrics about dicks.

Thanks Charlie. I wasn't sure whether to mention the lyrics in case they were youngsters on here who might be offended.

The original lyrics of the Khia song released in 2002 refer to her asking a man to do something to her private area (i.e lick my puss and my crack).When it was released in the US in 2002 and UK in 2004, it had to be edited for radio and TV as the original lyrics were explicit for broadcast. I know C4 got into trouble for showing the 2004 version of the video (the original 2002 video had Khia at a barbecue- the 2004 video has no Khia, but some women washing a 4x4) during kiddie's viewing hours because of the scantily clad woman in it.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:14 pm

JimBentley wrote:Oh god I'd forgotten how funny this was in the unexpurgated version (it was only ever the very very heavily edited radio version that got played when it was in the charts). "Lick my pussy and my crack" is the best ridiculous single entendre in a song since "darling, come here, fuck me up the rear". Sorry Kai etc.

I'm sure you realised this, Jim, but for those who didn't, the song is intended as a feminist response to Too $hort's My Dick, My Sack.

JimBentley · Post by **JimBentley** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:17 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
JimBentley wrote:Oh god I'd forgotten how funny this was in the unexpurgated version (it was only ever the very very heavily edited radio version that got played when it was in the charts). "Lick my pussy and my crack" is the best ridiculous single entendre in a song since "darling, come here, fuck me up the rear". Sorry Kai etc.
I'm sure you realised this, Jim, but for those who didn't, the song is intended as a feminist response to Too $hort's My Dick, My Sack.

I honestly didn't know that! This knowledge enriches me in ways that I can't quite specify, but I definitely feel enriched.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:19 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote: I'm sure you realised this, Jim, but for those who didn't, the song is intended as a feminist response to Too $hort's My Dick, My Sack.
I honestly didn't know that! This knowledge enriches me in ways that I can't quite specify, but I definitely feel enriched.

Talking of enriching knowledge, I suspect that the precise message of feminism may have been somewhat lost on Ms. K.

AndyB2007 · Post by **AndyB2007** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:19 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
JimBentley wrote:Oh god I'd forgotten how funny this was in the unexpurgated version (it was only ever the very very heavily edited radio version that got played when it was in the charts). "Lick my pussy and my crack" is the best ridiculous single entendre in a song since "darling, come here, fuck me up the rear". Sorry Kai etc.
I'm sure you realised this, Jim, but for those who didn't, the song is intended as a feminist response to Too $hort's My Dick, My Sack.

Charlie, the Khia/Too Short thing reminds me of other response songs:

The 2004 song F.U.R.B by Frankee was a response to Eamon's I Don't Want You Back, You Should Really Know by The Pirates featuring Shola Ama, Enya, Naila Boss and Ishani was a response to I Don't Wanna Know by Mario Winans feat P Diddy and Enya, whilst No Pigeons by Sporty Thievz was a response to No Scrubs by TLC. Not to mention Cheat Again by Jamie Jay, a response to Beat Again by JLS.

Hope that helps.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:25 pm

AndyB2007 wrote: Charlie, the Khia/Too Short thing reminds me of other response songs:

The 2004 song F.U.R.B by Frankee was a response to Eamon's I Don't Want You Back, You Should Really Know by The Pirates featuring Shola Ama, Enya, Naila Boss and Ishani was a response to I Don't Wanna Know by Mario Winans feat P Diddy and Enya, whilst No Pigeons by Sporty Thievz was a response to No Scrubs by TLC. Not to mention Cheat Again by Jamie Jay, a response to Beat Again by JLS.

Hope that helps.

Indeed, the world of hiphop is full of such allusions, often subtler than replacing "dick" with "pussy" and then doing a shitty rap over the same beat. From the outside this probably sounds derivative but, when done well, it's no different to the clever and pleasing homages of Tarantino or Hofstadter. But of course poor people like rap so it's probably not worth the attention of us more educated types.

Alec Rivers · Post by **Alec Rivers** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:26 pm

AndyB2007 wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:
JimBentley wrote:Oh god I'd forgotten how funny this was in the unexpurgated version (it was only ever the very very heavily edited radio version that got played when it was in the charts). "Lick my pussy and my crack" is the best ridiculous single entendre in a song since "darling, come here, fuck me up the rear". Sorry Kai etc.
I'm sure you realised this, Jim, but for those who didn't, the song is intended as a feminist response to Too $hort's My Dick, My Sack.
Charlie, the Khia/Too Short thing reminds me of other response songs:

The 2004 song F.U.R.B by Frankee was a response to Eamon's I Don't Want You Back, You Should Really Know by The Pirates featuring Shola Ama, Enya, Naila Boss and Ishani was a response to I Don't Wanna Know by Mario Winans feat P Diddy and Enya, whilst No Pigeons by Sporty Thievz was a response to No Scrubs by TLC. Not to mention Cheat Again by Jamie Jay, a response to Beat Again by JLS.

Hope that helps.

Great info, Andy. An abarndance of musical curiosities.

JimBentley · Post by **JimBentley** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:27 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:Talking of enriching knowledge, I suspect that the precise message of feminism may have been somewhat lost on Ms. K.

I think she feels empowered by being able to use sex to control - at least in some small ways, perhaps the ways that matter to her - the thugs and niggas that otherwise would try to control her. And of course it's going to piss the other bitches off, which is always a bonus.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:30 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:Talking of enriching knowledge, I suspect that the precise message of feminism may have been somewhat lost on Ms. K.
I think she feels empowered by being able to use sex to control - at least in some small ways, perhaps the ways that matter to her - the thugs and niggas that otherwise would try to control her. And of course it's going to piss the other bitches off, which is always a bonus.

Yeah, I meant more that feminism was supposed to be about allowing women to do the same things as men, rather than obliging them to be exactly as obnoxious and sexually naive.

Alec Rivers · Post by **Alec Rivers** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:37 pm

JimBentley wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:Talking of enriching knowledge, I suspect that the precise message of feminism may have been somewhat lost on Ms. K.
I think she feels empowered by being able to use sex to control - at least in some small ways, perhaps the ways that matter to her - the thugs and niggas that otherwise would try to control her. And of course it's going to piss the other bitches off, which is always a bonus.

Comparing this to the positive sentiments generally expressed in music during the sixties and seventies, have I become an old fuddy-duddy to think that we, as a society, are doomed?

Last comment to be posted on the Internet as it fades to nought: CIVILISATION FAIL. LOL

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:40 pm

Alec Rivers wrote: Comparing this to the positive sentiments generally expressed in music during the sixties and seventies, have I become an old fuddy-duddy to think that we, as a society, are doomed?

I don't know about fuddy-daddy, but maybe naive. Many (in fact, more) people at that time had similar negative life experiences to those discussed in hip-hop, but had no creative outlet for their experiences, and could not even have aspired to a career in music.

Alec Rivers · Post by **Alec Rivers** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:43 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:I don't know about fuddy-daddy [sic], but maybe naive.

Story of my life.

Charlie Reams wrote:Many (in fact, more) people at that time had similar negative life experiences to those discussed in hip-hop, but had no creative outlet for their experiences, and could not even have aspired to a career in music.

Hmm, good point. Ta.

Derek Hazell · Post by **Derek Hazell** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:44 pm

My sister took me shopping on Saturday.
On the way, she played me the Lady Gaga album in her car.
When "Poker Face" came on, she mentioned how boys like to interpret that lyric as "poke her face". We giggled a little.
I then told her about how it sampled the Boney M song "Ma Baker". When we got home I played her said song on my laptop.
She said she preferred Lady Gaga.

AndyB2007 · Post by **AndyB2007** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:56 pm

Derek Hazell wrote:My sister took me shopping on Saturday.
On the way, she played me the Lady Gaga album in her car.
When "Poker Face" came on, she mentioned how boys like to interpret that lyric as "poke her face". We giggled a little.
I then told her about how it sampled the Boney M song "Ma Baker". When we got home I played her said song on my laptop.
She said she preferred Lady Gaga.

Of course Boney M were not what they seemed- only 2 out of the 4 members sang on the tracks, Marcia Barrett and Liz Mitchell . Bobby Farrell's vocals were done by Frank Farian (who went on to form Milli Vanilli, and look how that turned out, when we found out that the 2 men in the videos actually never sang-to be honest it's been happening after Milli Vanilli, with dance acts such as C&C Music Factory, Black Box, Cappella,etc using younger women to mime to someone else's vocals in their videos without giving credit to the singer) and Maizie Williams never sang.

Alec Rivers · Post by **Alec Rivers** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:04 pm

Andy, have you bought that second cabinet for your pop quiz trophies yet?

AndyB2007 · Post by **AndyB2007** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:08 pm

Alec Rivers wrote:Andy, have you bought that second cabinet for your pop quiz trophies yet?

Not yet, but I should.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:09 pm

Alec Rivers wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:I don't know about fuddy-daddy [sic], but maybe naive.
Story of my life.

This is my new favourite way of highlighting a typo.

Charlie Reams wrote:Many (in fact, more) people at that time had similar negative life experiences to those discussed in hip-hop, but had no creative outlet for their experiences, and could not even have aspired to a career in music.

That's not to say, by the way, that I think all "negative" music is good. I don't much like 50 Cent's music, for example, because I think he romanticises a lifestyle which he clearly didn't like that much, or he'd still be selling crack instead of making songs. He's actually a smart guy (listen to his audiobook The 50th Law if you doubt this) and quite openly admits to making childish songs because they shift copies. I'd like to see such traditional-mould gangsta rappers try to advance the art form, but maybe the market isn't right for it yet.

Alec Rivers · Post by **Alec Rivers** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:16 pm

Charlie Reams wrote:
Alec Rivers wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:I don't know about fuddy-daddy [sic], but maybe naive.
Story of my life.
This is my new favourite way of highlighting a typo.

'[/sarcasm]'? (You have to spell it out for me, I'm afraid.)

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:29 pm

Alec Rivers wrote:'[/sarcasm]'? (You have to spell it out for me, I'm afraid.)

Nope, I was genuinely amused by the offhandness.