DARIC, SOED and other things which are not bugs
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DARIC, SOED and other things which are not bugs
This isn't a bug but I was directed here anyway, it is a query about a word which is in the OED full edition not being allowed in countdown, and I am not sure if it should or should not be disallowed- the word is daric, it is an ancient Persian coin, and in the OED it is not capitalised. Is the OED2r/ODE devoid of this word for some reason, and if so, why?
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Can't see DARIC at all - sorry.Paul Erdunast wrote:This isn't a bug but I was directed here anyway, it is a query about a word which is in the OED full edition not being allowed in countdown, and I am not sure if it should or should not be disallowed- the word is daric, it is an ancient Persian coin, and in the OED it is not capitalised. Is the OED2r/ODE devoid of this word for some reason, and if so, why?
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He asked "why" as well.Kirk Bevins wrote:Can't see DARIC at all - sorry.Paul Erdunast wrote:This isn't a bug but I was directed here anyway, it is a query about a word which is in the OED full edition not being allowed in countdown, and I am not sure if it should or should not be disallowed- the word is daric, it is an ancient Persian coin, and in the OED it is not capitalised. Is the OED2r/ODE devoid of this word for some reason, and if so, why?
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Because I used my eyes and it's not located between Dari and Darien which it should be since Dari is common to both and the next letter, c, comes between a blank (after Dari) and the 'e' (after Dari in Darien).Jon Corby wrote:
He asked "why" as well.
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No, he wants to know why it's not in there.Kirk Bevins wrote:Because I used my eyes and it's not located between Dari and Darien which it should be since Dari is common to both and the next letter, c, comes between a blank (after Dari) and the 'e' (after Dari in Darien).Jon Corby wrote:
He asked "why" as well.
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It's in the Shorter OED. This might not be relevant.Paul Erdunast wrote:This isn't a bug but I was directed here anyway, it is a query about a word which is in the OED full edition not being allowed in countdown, and I am not sure if it should or should not be disallowed- the word is daric, it is an ancient Persian coin, and in the OED it is not capitalised. Is the OED2r/ODE devoid of this word for some reason, and if so, why?
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That is actually very useful knowledge Ian; I remember once there was some word that was in both the shorter and longer OEDs, but which Kirk? wisely declined on show, or someone at least. It's odd that the OED2r isn't simply a larger subset of words than the SODE. If anyone can explain the logic behind this I'd appreciate it
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The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is 20 volumes and contains pretty much every word their lexicographers think is valid. The Shorter Oxford is 2 volumes and is a smaller subset, and the ODE(2r) used for Countdown is just a single volume and necessarily has less words again (though I don't think the ODE is entirely contained in the Shorter Oxford, probably due to differing editorial staff).Daniel O'Dowd wrote:That is actually very useful knowledge Ian; I remember once there was some word that was in both the shorter and longer OEDs, but which Kirk? wisely declined on show, or someone at least. It's odd that the OED2r isn't simply a larger subset of words than the SODE. If anyone can explain the logic behind this I'd appreciate it
The most general way that words are chosen for use in an abridged dictionary is through statistical means, using large corpora. The less common stuff, like archaic foreign currencies, are more likely to get the boot. This is particularly the case with a dictionary like the ODE, which is updated often and derives much of its publicity by the addition of vogue words (cf. the verb "google").
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Indeed. SANGFROID is in the ODE but not the SOED (cheers Paul) and there are doubtless other inconsistencies.Simon Myers wrote:The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is 20 volumes and contains pretty much every word their lexicographers think is valid. The Shorter Oxford is 2 volumes and is a smaller subset, and the ODE(2r) used for Countdown is just a single volume and necessarily has less words again (though I don't think the ODE is entirely contained in the Shorter Oxford, probably due to differing editorial staff).Daniel O'Dowd wrote:That is actually very useful knowledge Ian; I remember once there was some word that was in both the shorter and longer OEDs, but which Kirk? wisely declined on show, or someone at least. It's odd that the OED2r isn't simply a larger subset of words than the SODE. If anyone can explain the logic behind this I'd appreciate it
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Oops lol I thought the Oed2r was bigger than the Shorter :lol
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As stated in the SOED, 'one third of the coverage of the OED in just 2 volumes'.Simon Myers wrote:I don't think the ODE is entirely contained in the Shorter Oxford, probably due to differing editorial staff
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Re: DARIC, SOED and other things which are not bugs
In case you are interested, here is the dictionary (OED full version) definition for daric:
A gold coin of ancient Persia, said to have been named from the first Darius. Also a Persian silver coin of the same design, specifically called siglos.
A gold coin of ancient Persia, said to have been named from the first Darius. Also a Persian silver coin of the same design, specifically called siglos.
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Thanks, some good reasons, and interesting to know which versions are which. To be honest, in the daric round, I really should have found radii!
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It's actually in the SOED, but hyphenated. I'd guess there are some ODE2r words that have been totally omitted from SOED (perhaps some of the most recent additions?), but I don't know of any.Charlie Reams wrote:Indeed. SANGFROID is in the ODE but not the SOED (cheers Paul) and there are doubtless other inconsistencies.Simon Myers wrote: The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is 20 volumes and contains pretty much every word their lexicographers think is valid. The Shorter Oxford is 2 volumes and is a smaller subset, and the ODE(2r) used for Countdown is just a single volume and necessarily has less words again (though I don't think the ODE is entirely contained in the Shorter Oxford, probably due to differing editorial staff).
Re: DARIC, SOED and other things which are not bugs
Some further investigation reveals SHROOMER is missing from my SOED. Of course, I received my copy before Countdown moved to ODE2r and I don't know if a new edition has since been published, so take that with a pinch of salt.
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Or indeed ACRID, its anagramPaul Erdunast wrote:Thanks, some good reasons, and interesting to know which versions are which. To be honest, in the daric round, I really should have found radii!