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Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:04 pm**

So far so good.
Taking a healthy interest in the contestants
Instant rapport with the other ladies.
Less so the clock starter

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:21 pm**

Definitely a decent start, very apprehensive of her appointment, but she has shown that she seems to be more aware of where she is in the game than Nick ever was!!

Definitely liked to take a “back seat” as it were and let everyone else shine. Had to include the wink at the end, didn’t she!!??

Shame they didn’t bother to give some new opening credits, considering that these ones have been used since Nick started in 2012

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:37 pm**

Never seen a show before that has opening credits.
Did you mean opening titles?
Not easy to get things done when most people work from home in a pandemic on a £200 HP laptop. Still...

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:48 pm**

Countdown Team wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:37 pm Never seen a show before that has opening credits.
Did you mean opening titles?
Not easy to get things done when most people work from home in a pandemic on a £200 HP laptop. Still...

Glad you sorted out the hook for Anne's Handbag

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:11 pm**

No specific criticisms or anything - we'll have to see how she progresses, but I was a bit surprised by how old and doddery she came across. Much more so than Nick who is basically the same age.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm**

There's this article on the BBC about her by the way.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:55 pm**

Yeah I thought it was a fair start - she was a wee bit stilted but given it's all brand new that's not surprising. I'll be very surprised if she doesn't relax into it very quickly once the gameplay element becomes second nature. I enjoyed the little accountant dig - didn't go too far and the contestant seemed to play along.

"Who spent their maths lesson drawing love hearts on their pencil case? Who thinks their three times table is for putting coffee on?"

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:26 pm**

Countdown Team wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:37 pm Never seen a show before that has opening credits.
Did you mean opening titles?
Not easy to get things done when most people work from home in a pandemic on a £200 HP laptop. Still...

You need to watch more dramas!! Plenty of those have opening credits interspersed with opening titles!

That could be the USP for the new ones, featuring Anne, Rachel and Susie.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:54 pm**

A Countdown version of the Friends intro has just gone through my mind.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:57 pm**

Re opening titles: I actually asked the producer about this, but he said they won’t get new titles because they cost quite a bit of money to make. Countdown really are cutting costs now.

Anyway, Anne was solid, and she’ll grow in to the role and improve.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:06 pm**

Isn't this an album by The Strokes?

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:43 pm**

Philip A wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:57 pm Re opening titles: I actually asked the producer about this, but he said they won’t get new titles because they cost quite a bit of money to make. Countdown really are cutting costs now.

Remind me never to answer one of your questions again. In fact, you don't need to remind me.
Yes they cost £££££ to make, and hello.........there's hardly any advertising, so revenue suffers. Shock horror.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:44 pm**

It's hard to make a judgement on Anne after one episode. My view on her hasn't changed: however good she turns out to be (and she made a solid start), it's a "more of the same" appointment from C4 and the opportunity was there to go in a different direction with Colin Murray or someone younger. The first name that springs to my mind is Mo Gilligan (although I don't like him), but it would have been indicative of a different, relaunch-ish, direction. The fact that C4 opted not to do that raises parallels with mid/late-1980s Doctor Who, as you get the sense C4 would rather get rid of it, but they know full well the horrifically bad PR that will come with cancelling it, so they're better off keeping it. Like some political prisoner, it's too annoying to live yet too popular to kill. That's not to do with viewing figures: it's a programme firmly engrained in the British psyche and British culture, even if people don't watch it regularly. New titles would be nice, and quite frankly I'm sure some YouTuber in After Effects could do it for a fraction of the price of "proper" TV title companies. There is precedent for this: the 2012 titles of Doctor Who were god-awful and in 2014 they commissioned a YouTuber's design concept instead, which I understand saved them a whole load of money.

But on Anne - yeah, mostly solid for day one. I would like it if she dropped her Weakest Link catchphrases ("Let's play... Countdown!" // "Start the clock"), but I didn't dislike her, which is good.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:48 pm**

Okay Anne, let's play Blockbusters, and start the microwave.
Sorted.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:51 pm**

Countdown Team wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:48 pmstart the microwave.
Sorted.

My cooking technique explained perfectly.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:30 pm**

This is the first impression of Anne I can find. It's from 1995. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoLKd9WrUA#t=18m55s

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:46 am**

Ok... I just watched.
My expectations were too high.

She was alright.
Too nervous to be properly present to the spontaneous happenings around her.
The old & doddery bit that Gevin mentioned, I agree with. There was that false teeth sound on the s's.

I have a sneaking feeling that she will do the opposite of what Colin Murray did. On his first show, he was a breath of fresh air, but the more he stayed on, the more irritating the enthusiastic-child-filled-with-wonder schtick became, as did his overzealous 'reffing' of the game. I expect Anne will relax into it in the next few episodes, and hopefully become as good at hosting as I originally thought she would be...

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:18 am**

Philip A wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:57 pm Re opening titles: I actually asked the producer about this, but he said they won’t get new titles because they cost quite a bit of money to make. Countdown really are cutting costs now.

Anyway, Anne was solid, and she’ll grow in to the role and improve.

So tablets instead of pen and paper wont be coming in soon then?

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:21 am**

Countdown Team wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:43 pm
Philip A wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:57 pm Re opening titles: I actually asked the producer about this, but he said they won’t get new titles because they cost quite a bit of money to make. Countdown really are cutting costs now.
Remind me never to answer one of your questions again. In fact, you don't need to remind me.
Yes they cost £££££ to make, and hello.........there's hardly any advertising, so revenue suffers. Shock horror.

Mind you if Anne becomes as popular as during her WL days you might get back to the tea-time slot the show deserves

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:25 am**

Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:44 pm It's hard to make a judgement on Anne after one episode. My view on her hasn't changed: however good she turns out to be (and she made a solid start), it's a "more of the same" appointment from C4 and the opportunity was there to go in a different direction with Colin Murray or someone younger. The first name that springs to my mind is Mo Gilligan (although I don't like him), but it would have been indicative of a different, relaunch-ish, direction. The fact that C4 opted not to do that raises parallels with mid/late-1980s Doctor Who, as you get the sense C4 would rather get rid of it, but they know full well the horrifically bad PR that will come with cancelling it, so they're better off keeping it. Like some political prisoner, it's too annoying to live yet too popular to kill. That's not to do with viewing figures: it's a programme firmly engrained in the British psyche and British culture, even if people don't watch it regularly. New titles would be nice, and quite frankly I'm sure some YouTuber in After Effects could do it for a fraction of the price of "proper" TV title companies. There is precedent for this: the 2012 titles of Doctor Who were god-awful and in 2014 they commissioned a YouTuber's design concept instead, which I understand saved them a whole load of money.

But on Anne - yeah, mostly solid for day one. I would like it if she dropped her Weakest Link catchphrases ("Let's play... Countdown!" // "Start the clock"), but I didn't dislike her, which is good.

I think Countdown will still continue rven if Chabnel 4 drop it.
The sane thing happened with Big Brother.
Channel 5 came in and er well it lasted a few more years anyway

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:30 am**

Sorry, but I thought it was "Bring your granny to work day". A pale imitation of the Anne Robinson I remember, and I always thought that was a bit stilted. Calling an accountant boring is not exactly original, and Shelley from Newcastle clearly wasn't expecting to be told the countryside was beautiful where she lived. Hopefully it will get better, maybe she really was nervous, though you wouldn't have thought presenting Countdown was much of a challenge to someone with her experience.

Good to see that there's still none of that "Your opinions are valuable to us" nonsense from the Countdown Team.

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:17 am**

Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:30 pm This is the first impression of Anne I can find. It's from 1995. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoLKd9WrUA#t=18m55s

It was series 24 and when they got rid of Angus. It must be 2002.

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:53 am**

Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:17 am
Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:30 pm This is the first impression of Anne I can find. It's from 1995. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoLKd9WrUA#t=18m55s
It was series 24 and when they got rid of Angus. It must be 2002.

They showed a clip on the 2002 episode that was from 1995.

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:00 pm**

Mark James wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:53 am
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:17 am
Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:30 pm This is the first impression of Anne I can find. It's from 1995. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoLKd9WrUA#t=18m55s
It was series 24 and when they got rid of Angus. It must be 2002.
They showed a clip on the 2002 episode that was from 1995.

Oh I see. I've watched it properly now. Paul Merton's impression of Anne was from 1995. As you were.

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:58 pm**

Her line "Let's play Countdown" seems to be a carryover from her Weakest Link days. And when she asked Shelley where she's from I was reminded of Cilla Black (even though she didn't use the same words).

But she seemed to do a good job of presenting the show on the whole. I struggled to dissociate her voice from her old Queen of Mean persona, but I guess this skill'll come with practice.

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:06 pm**

Stewart Gordon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:58 pm Her line "Let's play Countdown" seems to be a carryover from her Weakest Link days.

FAO Countdown Team - this is what I meant earlier...

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:13 pm**

Stewart Gordon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:58 pmskill'll

Niiiice

Posted: **Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:26 pm**

Anne was even better today: more light-hearted witty banter and a bit more supportive.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:33 am**

I liked the way she interviews the guest!

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:09 am**

I thought she seemed better already on Tuesday, and more interaction with both the contestants and DC guest is great.

But I didn't like the 'mensa' thing - felt a bit 'weakest link' and was a non sequitur at that point in the game although didn't descend into nastiness, but didn't fit the flow so seemed a bit 'what point is she making'

Look forward to seeing how it pans out over the next couple of filming blocks. Those who've filmed with her have been positive, so that's great.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:44 am**

I confidently reckon come July/August she’ll get rid of her Weakest Link traits, and she’ll flow better.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:01 am**

Didn't mind the MENSA bit- but should only be done if she knows the contestant can take it (and maybe at an earlier point in the game).

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:07 pm**

I think she has done okay so far and is already better than Des O'Connor or Des Lynam. She was very nervous on the first show but interviews the guest very well. I agree with Tom about the MENSA thing.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:57 pm**

I have to be careful what I say obviously, but I did not like the Mensa thing.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:06 pm**

I didn’t mind the Mensa anecdote, but I can see where other viewers are coming from. I think the talk will get better over the next few weeks.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:23 pm**

Paul Anderson wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:57 pm I have to be careful what I say obviously

Oh?

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:02 pm**

I felt whilst the shoplifters in Chelmsford thing raised a smile for me, that's just my sadistic humour and Anne's delivery made it sound nasty and spiky.

However, there's no real defending her constant sniping of Steve being an accountant.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:18 pm**

Mark Deeks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:23 pm
Paul Anderson wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:57 pm I have to be careful what I say obviously
Oh?

Paul thinks if he schmoozes the right people, he'll get a job on the show!

So it is prudent to pretend he agrees with their ideas and appointments.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:22 pm**

Yes, the Weakest Link crap is out of place on Countdown.
I am genuinely surprised that she's doing it.
Very embarrassing.

However... I expect that these are teething issues, and that she will be good in the end. There is a place for sarcy banter with the contestants and guests, but at the moment she is not quite hitting the sweet spot.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:40 pm**

I didn't follow the Mensa thing. She asks Steve if he is in Mensa. If he says he isn't, but he could be, then "We'll be the judge of that" is a nice putdown. But when he says he isn't clever enough, it's a compliment, isn't it? Yet she still delivered it as a putdown, almost as if she wasn't listening to him.

Posted: **Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:48 pm**

Does anybody know what the viewing figures have been over the past three days ? Increased/decreased?

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:10 am**

L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:18 pm
Mark Deeks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:23 pm
Paul Anderson wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:57 pm I have to be careful what I say obviously
Oh?

Paul thinks if he schmoozes the right people, he'll get a job on the show!
So it is prudent to pretend he agrees with their ideas and appointments.

I would love Graham to get a gig for a daily Ask Graham feature.
Countdown Team are you reading this?

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:13 am**

*Graeme

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:15 am**

In terms of impressions of Anne:

3rd: Marea Smithson
2nd: Jan Ravens
1st: Debra Stephenson

No, seriously. It’s pretty good.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:15 am**

It’s really hard to get the ratings. I looked at Channel 4’s top 15 programmes over the course of 14-20 June and Countdown wasn’t in the top 15.

Reports say that Countdown averaged 449k as of February, but it is not clear whether catch-up is accounted.

TBH, not sure they even care about ratings anymore.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:19 am**

For what its worth her rapport with the contestants is a good thing and it addresses Nick's biggest failing.
It might attract more enganging contestants.
Im sure Mark Deeks dry wit would have been wonderful to watch with Anne in the hot seat.
As long as Channel 4 are not involved with the vetting of contestants as Cranky and loud won't suit Countdown..

I may even apply myself. ( well im not loud at least)
Would love to talk about Wales with her

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:25 am**

Philip A wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:15 am It’s really hard to get the ratings. I looked at Channel 4’s top 15 programmes over the course of 14-20 June and Countdown wasn’t in the top 15.

Reports say that Countdown averaged 449k as of February, but it is not clear whether catch-up is accounted.

TBH, not sure they even care about ratings anymore.

We were in lockdown at the time which probably distorts the figures somewhat.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:57 am**

I hope Channel 4 will refresh its scheduling and show Countdown at least an hour later

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:28 am**

There's a definite improvement in getting rid of Nick's monologue at the start and hearing a bit more from the contestants instead. It will be very interesting to see how Anne reacts when she gets an elite Apterous-level player - e.g. when someone like Luke (B or JD) comes along I wonder what she'll think of the obscure words no-one has ever heard of that they keep coming up with. I can imagine quite a few sarcastic comments along the way - might be quite entertaining, but it depends how well they take it.

On that note (and linked to another recent thread) it really would be great to get Anne doing the next CoC soon - there could be some great banter with the best contestants of Nick's last 3 years, who never really got much chance to say anything much when Nick was on so we didn't really see their personalities before. I'd love to see what Anne makes of the likes of Elliott, Luke et al - and I'd imagine the past champions might be bit more confident to banter with Anne a bit more having all appeared several times before.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:18 pm**

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Oh?

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Contrary to spurious opinions given above, it's in all our interests to try and welcome everyone into the CD community and not be bitchy. In addition any negative comments I make about AR only look like sour grapes. I'd love to interview AR some day, so why would I try to limit those possibilities?

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:56 pm**

L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:18 pm
Mark Deeks wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:23 pm
Paul Anderson wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:57 pm I have to be careful what I say obviously
Oh?

(image)
Paul thinks if he schmoozes the right people, he'll get a job on the show!

If only it were that simple... (if it were, I would probably be less cynical in my recaps...)

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:11 pm**

Okay, I'm going to say it. I like Anne Robinson as host. I think she's going to be better than Nick was.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:23 pm**

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Beautiful!

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:30 pm**

When people in the Countdowners group worried that she might be like she was on the Weakest Link, I (I am ashamed to admit) was one of the ones who scoffed at the suggestion. "That was years ago." "It was an act." "She was playing a character." "Countdown is a different show." etc etc etc.

But yeah... it continues.
It is as though Anne knows she is famous for that and is trying to give the people "what they want", when what the people ACTUALLY want is something that is far more famous than Anne Robinson... aka Countdown. She needs to learn that the show is bigger than her.

Did anyone else notice Rachel looking a little off form just after Anne made yet another hi-larious "boring accountant" comment right before a numbers game today? I am getting the impression that Rachel is not loving Nick's replacement, not yet anyway.

Would you say C4 have gotten many complaints about how she reveals the answers to the teasers yet?
Nick used to recap the clue after the break (so anyone who missed it the first time / forgot / tuned in late etc, could get the full impact of the included joke / pun). Anne doesn't bother with that. Another change that is slightly for the worse. Probably been a few complaints by now...

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:15 pm**

It is her first day on the job guys. She/the team will have had no chance to step back and analyse her performance. If you were to go back and watch the first days of Hewer, Riley - even Whiteley - you'd see marked differences between the trademark style you associate with them and whatever they were doing on day one.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:19 pm**

Well said Jono.
This first week was done in one day, so Rome wasn't entirely built.
Anne is progressing fantastically well and we're delighted with it.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:05 pm**

100% agree.
Nick was absolutely terrible at first (remember his first "critical countdown conundrum"? lol)... but in the end was an affable pair of safe hands... and the genuine camaraderie between himself and the girls was palpable.

I expect Anne will find her groove before August.

Posted: **Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:55 pm**

When Anne hosted Series 1 of The Weakest Link, she was shy. Her “Queen of Mean” trademark established in Series 2.

Posted: **Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:05 am**

L'oisleatch McGraw wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:05 pm Nick was absolutely terrible at first (remember his first "critical countdown conundrum"? lol)

Wasn't that Jeff?

Posted: **Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:36 am**

Nope. Definitely Nick.
A traumatic moment in my life that I will never forget...

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