Training Methods/Methods of improvement
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I was the same as you Jack and I always used to ask the best players how they got so impossibly good. The answer "oh, just a bit of practice" was pretty annoying because I was already practising loads and seeing little improvement. I tried learning stems and I printed off a few hundred jumbled up words that I'd missed a lot but this sort of word learning was just so boring it made me want to die.
I'd just say be really competitive when playing apterous: be pissed off when you miss an easy word or get beaten by somebody worse than you, and take your apterous rating quite seriously and use this as a guide to your improvement. Depends how good you want to be I suppose - I just found (and still do) apterous great fun and amazingly addictive. I never felt like improving was in any way hard work or tiresome, just that I was on apterous a hell of a lot more than I should've been.
Anyway, aren't you better than me? I suppose me giving advice is a bit stupid, but only using apterous to improve got me from shit to, well, reasonably good in a short space of time. And it's FUN!
I'd like to hear what Chris Davies has to say - I've never seen someone improve as quickly as he has. He's maybe the very best now when just a few months ago he was quite shit. Aaron Higgs has also improved amazingly quickly.
Oh yeah, I did learn all of the stems of RETAINS, which come in useful a lot. I'd recommend learning these if you're thinking of learning some stems. Also the letters that make RADIUS are YEANS and that often comes in handy since all 5 are quite hard to spot!
I'd just say be really competitive when playing apterous: be pissed off when you miss an easy word or get beaten by somebody worse than you, and take your apterous rating quite seriously and use this as a guide to your improvement. Depends how good you want to be I suppose - I just found (and still do) apterous great fun and amazingly addictive. I never felt like improving was in any way hard work or tiresome, just that I was on apterous a hell of a lot more than I should've been.
Anyway, aren't you better than me? I suppose me giving advice is a bit stupid, but only using apterous to improve got me from shit to, well, reasonably good in a short space of time. And it's FUN!
I'd like to hear what Chris Davies has to say - I've never seen someone improve as quickly as he has. He's maybe the very best now when just a few months ago he was quite shit. Aaron Higgs has also improved amazingly quickly.
Oh yeah, I did learn all of the stems of RETAINS, which come in useful a lot. I'd recommend learning these if you're thinking of learning some stems. Also the letters that make RADIUS are YEANS and that often comes in handy since all 5 are quite hard to spot!
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Please do!Richard Brittain wrote: I can remember tonnes more and can add them to that page if you want.
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These are probably two of the people who pay the most, which could be an explaination for their rapid improvement. I feel sorry for Aaron Higgs, because he has got to the standard of possibly a series finalist since he got beaten by an eventual octochamp.Jimmy Gough wrote:
I'd like to hear what Chris Davies has to say - I've never seen someone improve as quickly as he has. He's maybe the very best now when just a few months ago he was quite shit. Aaron Higgs has also improved amazingly quickly.
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Practice is the best way but when you miss a word you need to remember how to spot it in future. If you were to miss, say, ATROPINE then you could remember it as POINTER + PAINTER, or just PAINTER + O or whatever. I find with a lot of the words I'm learning now I have to write them down in a special book I keep otherwise they'll be forgotten.
I first used stems as a way of spotting words (e.g. I learnt ATROPINE as POINTER + PAINTER) but after a while of spotting it I no longer need this stem as ATROPINE just jumps out of AEOIPNRT.
It can sometimes be useful to memorise all the stems from a certain high-probability word and use a mnemonic to help you remember. As I've mentioned this on c4c before I'll use the same example (so as not to give away too many of my secrets): TOASTER. I always spot this word and it made sense to memorise a list of letters that can be added to TOASTER to make an 8. The letters form the mnemonic IBUSTGRAPH, e.g. TOASTER + I = TOASTIER, TOASTER + B = ABETTORS, TOASTER + A = AEROSTAT etc. This is useful as, for example, AEROSTAT is quite hard to spot on its own so memorising the stems help.
Caution: A selection came up at a CO-event as follows:
T S R A O E L O T
I saw TOASTER and looked at the two remaining letters, L and O. Neither of these letters are in IBUSTGRAPH so I couldn't find an 8 using the letters of TOASTER. Turns out there was an 8 amongst the selection - ROOTLETS.
I first used stems as a way of spotting words (e.g. I learnt ATROPINE as POINTER + PAINTER) but after a while of spotting it I no longer need this stem as ATROPINE just jumps out of AEOIPNRT.
It can sometimes be useful to memorise all the stems from a certain high-probability word and use a mnemonic to help you remember. As I've mentioned this on c4c before I'll use the same example (so as not to give away too many of my secrets): TOASTER. I always spot this word and it made sense to memorise a list of letters that can be added to TOASTER to make an 8. The letters form the mnemonic IBUSTGRAPH, e.g. TOASTER + I = TOASTIER, TOASTER + B = ABETTORS, TOASTER + A = AEROSTAT etc. This is useful as, for example, AEROSTAT is quite hard to spot on its own so memorising the stems help.
Caution: A selection came up at a CO-event as follows:
T S R A O E L O T
I saw TOASTER and looked at the two remaining letters, L and O. Neither of these letters are in IBUSTGRAPH so I couldn't find an 8 using the letters of TOASTER. Turns out there was an 8 amongst the selection - ROOTLETS.
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Careful - Charlie may be on your back quickly to correct youJackHurst wrote:
These are probably two of the people who pay the most, .
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Who does play the most?
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http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... st_playersIan Dent wrote:Who does play the most?
Might be interesting to do a version which normalises for total time of membership or something.
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Or the fact that Innis hasn't played against a bot in his life.Charlie Reams wrote:http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... st_playersIan Dent wrote:Who does play the most?
Might be interesting to do a version which normalises for total time of membership or something.
16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
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Yes. I'm still not sure who or what exactly this 'Chris Davies' guy is, but he's ridiculously good. He came from nowhere in a few months, and is probably the best player of Countdown in existence. I fully expect him to score over 1000 in his Octochamp run. Innis Carson has also got to a very high level quickly, and others like Aaron Higgs, yes.Jimmy Gough wrote:I'd like to hear what Chris Davies has to say - I've never seen someone improve as quickly as he has. He's maybe the very best now when just a few months ago he was quite shit. Aaron Higgs has also improved amazingly quickly.
But yes, those players do play the most, so I think it's fair to assume that playing thousands of games is likely to make you a very good player.
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Kai Laddiman wrote:Or the fact that Innis hasn't played against a bot in his life.Charlie Reams wrote:http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... st_playersIan Dent wrote:Who does play the most?
Might be interesting to do a version which normalises for total time of membership or something.
And Aaron's played amazing amount of games in a short space of time.
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Wow, well, that's quite an accolade, thanks!Richard Brittain wrote:Yes. I'm still not sure who or what exactly this 'Chris Davies' guy is, but he's ridiculously good. He came from nowhere in a few months, and is probably the best player of Countdown in existence. I fully expect him to score over 1000 in his Octochamp run. Innis Carson has also got to a very high level quickly, and others like Aaron Higgs, yes.Jimmy Gough wrote:I'd like to hear what Chris Davies has to say - I've never seen someone improve as quickly as he has. He's maybe the very best now when just a few months ago he was quite shit. Aaron Higgs has also improved amazingly quickly.
But yes, those players do play the most, so I think it's fair to assume that playing thousands of games is likely to make you a very good player.
As for why I've improved as quickly as I have, playing a lot of games has certainly played a large part. Also, I used to play Scrabble a hell of a lot (I've been on ISC for 8 years) and I used Lexpert to learn words of high probability. Back when I played Scrabble more I was pretty good (and I'm still using a clock radio I won in a real-life tournament years ago).
In the times when apterous used to be down quite frequently, I would make the most of this time by practising numbers games on crosswordtools.com, and I'd use Lexpert to revise a few words I'd recently missed.
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I'm looking forward to seeing him in his run now! (His "run" which could end up as a first game defeat!) I knew he was good anyway, but I haven't been on Apterous for months. So you reckon he's better than Bevins/Howe/Hulme/Fell/Beevers/Gallen/Travers etc?Richard Brittain wrote:Yes. I'm still not sure who or what exactly this 'Chris Davies' guy is, but he's ridiculously good. He came from nowhere in a few months, and is probably the best player of Countdown in existence.
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OK, he hadn't played a bot until at least his 2000th game.Jimmy Gough wrote:.Kai Laddiman wrote:Or the fact that Innis hasn't played against a bot in his life.
16/10/2007 - Episode 4460
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
Dinos Sfyris 76 - 78 Dorian Lidell
Proof that even idiots can get well and truly mainwheeled.
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I asked him about this and he is not stimulated by playing Bots.
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Thanks for all your opinions here as i was thinking of posting a subject similar to this for pointers etc.
Please keep it coming......
Please keep it coming......
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I follow a strict regimen of fish at 7 am, followed by Apterous and a rice cake, then fish, then Apterous and a rice cake, then I spend an hour looking at stems, then an hour of conundrum attacks, then fish, then Apterous and rice cake, followed by Apterous and a rice cake. Day ends 9 pm.
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No tangelos?