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Fiona T

... then I'll ticket them to get added. I wasn't proposing we add SUNCREAM or remove BOATLESS or REWATCH. I did ticket removing EXEUNTED/ING/S and FLORUITED/ING/S, but even on that ticket Ray pointed out FLORUTED and ING are used in the example sentences so seems strange to disallow them. The purpose ...

Fiona T

I think guidelines change over time. In the 30th Birthday Championship, Conor Travers scored 18 points for FLORUITED. That episode was repeated during 2020 lockdown and they have since considered it incorrect. I was given guidelines in 2017 and it ruled out EXEUNTED. Now they’ve ...

Philip A

I think guidelines change over time. In the 30th Birthday Championship, Conor Travers scored 18 points for FLORUITED. That episode was repeated during 2020 lockdown and they have since considered it incorrect. I was given guidelines in 2017 and it ruled out EXEUNTED. Now they’ve ...

Conor

So much discussion spawned by FLORUITED over the years. Personally I see it as an open and shut case, and anyone who thinks it should be disallowed is an idiot and a savage. No, but really, I'm surprised there was ever so much discussion. ...

Gavin Chipper

Rhys Benjamin wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 11:45 pm I could have sworn blind the contestant guidelines sent to me in early 2015 explicitly disallowed FLORUITED, but I can't find anyone who will corroborate this.

Graeme Cole said here that it would no longer be allowed. And here it is being said in the chat logs.

Rhys Benjamin

I could have sworn blind the contestant guidelines sent to me in early 2015 explicitly disallowed FLORUITED, but I can't find anyone who will corroborate this.

Gavin Chipper

So much discussion spawned by FLORUITED over the years.

Gavin Chipper

... problems with it. It's just that you never bothered to come up with anything. Actually a few things have come up anyway, such as whether to allow FLORUITED based on the fact that it isn't found, even though it's in an example sentence and it's the logical past tense. I've acknowledged problems ...

Heather Styles

Why the correctness of FLORUITS and FLORUITED has ever been doubted is beyond me.

Dan McColm

FLORUIT is listed as a noun, so FLORUITS would have to be accepted. And saying that FLORUITED should be disallowed because it is already past tense in Latin is applying Latin grammar to English!

Jennifer Steadman

... as being unacceptable after a barrage of angry letters from viewers during 30th BC saying it was grammatically incorrect. However FLORUITING/FLORUITED are cited in the examples underneath the ODO entry, so as I understand it, it would be acceptable on the show. (See also: SOLMISATE - only ...

Jack Worsley

... pluralisation of nouns which really should be listed as mass nouns but aren't (CANOEINGS for example) and the past tense of certain verbs such as FLORUITED? Should we go strictly by the rules or apply common sense where necessary?

Giles

... name spelt right the first time, but then every subsequent time you had 'Zs-'! And RE EXEUNT and FLORUIT, viewers kicked off about Conor having FLORUITED because FLORUIT is already past tense in Latin and makes no sense to add -ED to it as well. Matt Bayfield also tells me that in actual books ...

Gavin Chipper

... today, but did DC definitely say EXEUNTS rather than EXEUNT? I thought it was decided somewhere that they weren't going to allow it (along with FLORUITED), and the ODO search bar doesn't like it. Also should MEIOW be MIAOW? Here is the discussion, although I'm not sure what Graeme's source was ...

Gavin Chipper

... throw up though. I might check through the discussions. Edit - One problem already mentioned with going by the dictionary is that searching for FLORUITED finds nothing, but it's used in an example sentence under FLORUIT ! So is it a word or not? Weirdly, searching for FABER finds the entry for ...

Gavin Chipper

... FLOURISHED is a reasonable synonym, and that adding -ED is nonsensical. Don't forget that the point I was making was the inconsistency in allowing FLORUITED and disallowing FAINER. It is weird that they decided to dodge a clear definition.

Gavin Chipper

... that gives a definite decision on a word. You could extend it to looking up a word, and if it doesn't find it, looking up the headword. So look up FLORUITED, and then look up FLORUIT and see that it is mentioned and allowed it. But that only works if we know what the headword is. Someone could ...

David Williams

What's the big deal about FLORUITED anyway? FLORUIT is already past tense. It means FLOURISHED. I don't think you'd allow FLOURISHEDED even if the dictionary appeared to specifically allow it. But that's the Latin origin, not the dictionary ...

Gavin Chipper

David Williams wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:What's the big deal about FLORUITED anyway?
FLORUIT is already past tense. It means FLOURISHED. I don't think you'd allow FLOURISHEDED even if the dictionary appeared to specifically allow it.

But that's the Latin origin, not the dictionary definition.

David Williams

Gavin Chipper wrote:What's the big deal about FLORUITED anyway?

FLORUIT is already past tense. It means FLOURISHED. I don't think you'd allow FLOURISHEDED even if the dictionary appeared to specifically allow it.

Gavin Chipper

What's the big deal about FLORUITED anyway? In the ODO under FLORUIT it's used in an example sentence.

Although it won't find it if you search for it. I think that's quite a big problem for the dictionary and its use on Countdown.

David Williams

... the ODE should specifically exclude it, and Countdown rules should allow flexibility, but neither applies. At least the word makes sense, unlike FLORUITED, say.

Graeme Cole

... of STAROIL^ is reminiscent of different grades of leaded petrol, but not in the dictionary. The recap writer thinks FLORUITS is also there. FLORUITED^ has been declared verboten by the Team as FLORUIT the verb is already past tense, but since FLORUIT is also listed as a noun, FLORUITS ought ...

Gavin Chipper

... this? It sounds like the guidelines would have to be very specific. Edit - ODO recognises it when you search for it, but it doesn't recognise FLORUITED.

Gavin Chipper

I might be tempted to mention the FLORUITED/EXEUNTED thing, but that seems to be more of a Countdown thing than anything to do with the dictionary although I seem to remember some talk of there being communication with the dictionary people.

Andy Platt

FLORUITED dunno why, but I properly laughed at this, nice one :) Cheers gentlemen for your kind words, nice to see some people still give a shit. Am I missing something here? Jono, I think I might well have put a few other ...

Michael Wallace

Jon O'Neill wrote:Can anybody else think of any good contenders for greatest nine of all time?

FLORUITED

Conor

... the dictionary is too accepting, others may feel it's too stringent but what almost everyone wants is some consistency. I'd much prefer Susie say 'floruited may sound like a strange one, being in past tense in Latin, but it's just listed as a verb in the dictionary so we're going to allow it' than ...

Gavin Chipper

... noun" or "in singular" you need to consider the definition to decide whether to pluralise it, in the case of DOTAGES (and FLORUITED and EXEUNTED, I suppose) there's nothing in the dictionary to suggest it might be dodgy. If it's going to be disallowed because of new information ...

Graeme Cole

... noun" or "in singular" you need to consider the definition to decide whether to pluralise it, in the case of DOTAGES (and FLORUITED and EXEUNTED, I suppose) there's nothing in the dictionary to suggest it might be dodgy. If it's going to be disallowed because of new information ...

Andy Platt

The main issue is the consistency. I'm quite happy for FLORUITED to be disallowed if there is a sensible rule in place that covers it and all other words without arbitrary add-ons. Really it's up to the dictionary to specify. If it doesn't, it should ...

Clive Brooker

The main issue is the consistency. I'm quite happy for FLORUITED to be disallowed if there is a sensible rule in place that covers it and all other words without arbitrary add-ons. Really it's up to the dictionary to specify. If it doesn't, it should ...

Brian Moore

The main issue is the consistency. I'm quite happy for FLORUITED to be disallowed if there is a sensible rule in place that covers it and all other words without arbitrary add-ons. Really it's up to the dictionary to specify. If it doesn't, it should ...

Gavin Chipper

... have problems with language when logic flies out of the window, especially in the temporal implications. A double past tense (in the case of FLORUITED) 'doesn't compute' in my head, any more than uncreating something. On a non-grumpy note - well done Andy so far - really impressive. The main ...

Brian Moore

... have problems with language when logic flies out of the window, especially in the temporal implications. A double past tense (in the case of FLORUITED) 'doesn't compute' in my head, any more than uncreating something. On a non-grumpy note - well done Andy so far - really impressive.

Gavin Chipper

FLORUITED and EXEUNTED will no longer be accepted. I was a bit surprised that this (from the "Good News, Gevin!" thread) attracted no comment at all. I'm guessing that it means that all derivatives, not just plurals ...

Tony Atkins

FLORUITED and EXEUNTED will no longer be accepted. I was a bit surprised that this (from the "Good News, Gevin!" thread) attracted no comment at all. I'm guessing that it means that all derivatives, not just plurals ...

Clive Brooker

FLORUITED and EXEUNTED will no longer be accepted. I was a bit surprised that this (from the "Good News, Gevin!" thread) attracted no comment at all. I'm guessing that it means that all derivatives, not just plurals ...

Adam Gillard

... VIHUELAS, ECSTATIC, SLUGFEST, SULFATES, LIFEBOAT, DEADBOLT, NEOTENY, PARADIGM, NEUROSIS, ABSENTED, PINNULE, ISOGAMY, COGITABLE, ESCARGOT, STOTTY, FLORUITED, SUBSPACE, TOURNOIS, HEPARIN, LORAZEPAM (DC), ALAMEDA, MALAMUTE, CAJEPUT, SHIGELLA and PONYTAILS. All in all, a great selection of words and ...

James Robinson

... not have look that way after going behind to Ben Wilson's STOTTY in round 2 of your preliminary match, but after getting (the still debated about) FLORUITED, you never looked back at all, and let's put it as clear as we can get it, the stats don't lie. In the 90 rounds you played, you got the max ...

Graeme Cole

... broadcast on and after 18th March. Yes, this means the change happens mid-series, and potentially in the middle of someone's run. Oh well. Oh, and FLORUITED and EXEUNTED will no longer be accepted. I hope I haven't stepped on Countdown Team's toes in posting the above - I don't know if they were ...

Jack Worsley

... Ben Wilson 117-91 in the preliminaries, despite having to come from behind. He avoided a crucial conundrum mainly thanks to the lovely niner FLORUITED. However, he was badly off form, registering a measly twelve maxes, which is less than his apterous average, so he will need to improve considerably ...

Andy Platt

... typically always the max too). I reckon Chris's conundrum is quality too, SAUCISSON. never heard of it, don't even recognise it from online play. FLORUITED is a good obscure word but comes up in the chat window regularly enough to say it's not an unusual spot if you play online

David Barnard

FLORUITED impressed me the most from Conor, although I was sitting next to Andy in the audience and he got it too

Nick Deller

A few more that I've liked that aren't mentioned so far: ESCARGOT by Deeks/Hurst STOTTY by Wilson FLORUITED/SUBSPACE/TOURNOIS all by Travers HEPARIN by Francis LORAZEPAM by DC is probably better than anything any contestant has spotted so far though. There's just nothing ...

Peter Mabey

... when a particular historical figure lived, worked, or was most active. The principal German type was the three- or four-voice Tenorlied, which floruited c 1450- c 1550.

James Robinson

... that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be past tense in English. Indeed interesting - I've always thought of it being a synonym of flourished, so floruited doesn't make any logical sense (flourisheded?). I'll accept that logic often takes a back seat in language questions, but we haven't really ...

Brian Moore

... that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be past tense in English. Indeed interesting - I've always thought of it being a synonym of flourished, so floruited doesn't make any logical sense (flourisheded?). I'll accept that logic often takes a back seat in language questions, but we haven't really ...

Heather Styles

I disagree that Conor was lucky to get away with FLORUITED. When words come into English from other languages, all sorts of seemingly nonsensical (but in fact correct) things can happen to them, can't they?

Graeme Cole

Great win, Conor, but you were lucky to get away with FLORUITED! I agree that ODE lists FLORUIT as a verb, but as the derivation points out, it is already in the past tense ("he or she flourished"), so it doesn't make sense to append the ...

Clive Brooker

Great win, Conor, but you were lucky to get away with FLORUITED! I agree that ODE lists FLORUIT as a verb, but as the derivation points out, it is already in the past tense ("he or she flourished"), so it doesn't make sense to append the ...

Jon O'Neill

Great win, Conor, but you were lucky to get away with FLORUITED! I agree that ODE lists FLORUIT as a verb, but as the derivation points out, it is already in the past tense ("he or she flourished"), so it doesn't make sense to append the ...

Peter Mabey

Great win, Conor, but you were lucky to get away with FLORUITED! I agree that ODE lists FLORUIT as a verb, but as the derivation points out, it is already in the past tense ("he or she flourished"), so it doesn't make sense to append the -ED, despite the usual rules for verbs.

James Robinson

... surgery of lobotomy, where they saw some web-footed poodles. Teatime teaser: SILKBIAS -> BASILISK Round 6: T F D E U O L I R C1: FLUORIDE (8) C2: FLORUITED (18) DC: OUTFIELD (8) FLIRTED (7) FLOUTED (7) Score: 35–47 (max 53) WOW! WOW!! WOW!!! A mighty impressive 9 from Conor turns a 6 point deficit ...

Ben Wilson

Cheers guys- I knew I'd be fighting an uphill battle before I'd even begun so going ahead early was a shock and a half. FLORUITED was the killer blow- id never even heard of it but suspected Conor had something when I looked over at him halfway through the game. I only had fours when ...

Jordan F

Another hell of a game here. Very well done Conor, in particular FLORUITED is one of the best spots I've ever seen. Commiserations Ben, you did very well and probably could have won against a lot of the field with a performance like that.

Charlie Reams

... SYLLEPTIC, TRACKLESS, UNLOADERS, TEMPORISE, RESULTANT, INTITULES, BESTOWING, TITRATION, TELLURATE, SPLENDOUR, UMBELLATE, INTITULED, OVERUSING, FLORUITED, MISLAYING, CRAGGIEST, OUTRIDDEN, OVERDYING, SMILINGLY, SLACKENED, BLONDNESS, THYMIDINE, TELECASTS, THIRSTILY, STRIPIEST, ENRAPTURE, LEFTOVERS, ...

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