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Hi,

It seems to me we haven't had a Numbers based tournament in awhile, so I figured, why not make one? The format I have in mind is what I call an "all-around" format in Standard. What I mean by this is that all of the possible numbers formats will appear at least once, and in sequence. The way it'd work is that player 1 would declare 6 small for the first round, player 2 would declare 1 large and 5 small for the second, player 3 would declare 2 large and 4 small for round 3, etc, and by the time 4 large is hit, it goes back to 6 small for the next cycle. In this case, each variant of numbers will appear an equal number of times. The format will be round robin style, with one game matches between players. The winner is the player with the highest overall win and loss record. If there's a tie, head to head will be used if possible. If not possible (in the case of multi player ties), average score throughout the matches will be used, and if there's still a tie after that, highest overall score.

For sign ups, anybody can play. The sign ups will happen from today until 11:59 PM GMT on Friday April 15th. The duration of the matches will take place tenatively over the week after that, although if it ends up being that there are a lot of entrants, I could easily extend it to two weeks.

Any questions, ask away, and sign ups are below.

Participants:
Mark James
James Bradley
Joseph Krol
Matt Morrison
Stuart Arnot
Ryan Taylor
Gavin Chipper
Kai Laddiman
James Levinson
James Robinson
Rhys Benjamin
Milo Mackenzie
Liam Tiernan
Michael Wallace
James Hall
Dave Mattingly
Lee Kelly
Ian Volante
Jamie French
James Wilson
Jim Bentley
Hugh Binnie
Martyn Simpson
Matthew Tassier
Edward McCullagh
Lloyd Pettet
Martin Long
Dan Abrey

When you say each variant of numbers will appear an equal number of times do you mean 6 small, 1 large 5 small etc. or variants like hyper and omelette? You can probably count me in either way but it all sounds a bit finicky.

I'll play please

Sounds interesting, I'll register.

Mark James wrote:When you say each variant of numbers will appear an equal number of times do you mean 6 small, 1 large 5 small etc. or variants like hyper and omelette? You can probably count me in either way but it all sounds a bit finicky.

The former.

You need to talk to Charlie about making this automated, if he can.
There is NO WAY that mistakes aren't going to be made in the picking of the right large/small balance in at least one in every two games.

Other than that, I'll play!

I'm in.

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I'm in.

That is one weird haircut.

I'm in.

That is one epic display picture.

I'm in.

yes please

Sounds interesting.

I'll enter too.

Hmmmm.. What I wanted to say has already been covered by Matt, so I'll just say "Yes" because of the fact that numbers is my speciality - especially 4 large

yes plz

Count me in.

Can't resist a numbers tourney, count me in.

Count me in please!

I am in for this.

Count me in!

Yep yep!

In please

Yes please.

I'll play. But it really does need to be automated, otherwise (as Matt said) it's inevitable that the selections will go wrong.

Oh, go on then.

Couple things.

*I think there's already enough people attending that I know I want to extend the period of matches to two weeks. So the matches will take place from the 16th to the 30th.
*I'm still working on talking to Charlie about making it automatic.
*What would you prefer: Just simply saying that you have to play everybody else in the tournament once by the two week period, or some sort of organization or scheduling of matches over the two weeks? I'm fine with either, but I'm wondering what would work better for everybody.

I think people will struggle to arrange and play 21 matches inside 2 weeks.

Personally I'd draw it into 4 groups and have the group winners play in a final group and possibly extend it to a third week

I'm in

Count me in please.

While all-play-all sounds like fun, I think Jamie's suggestion would be far more practical.

JimBentley wrote:I'll play. But it really does need to be automated, otherwise (as Matt said) it's inevitable that the selections will go wrong.

Yep. Obviously there would be some leeway as an early mistake can be rectified but a mistake in the last "set" can't. But I can imagine Charlie sitting reading this thinking "Fuck off - stop trying to make me do extra work."

Yes please!

In

Count me in please.

I like the sound of this.

Count me in please!

Here's a tentative plan with the organization, it will be somewhat group based, but not entirely since I do wish for everybody to play everybody. This may change between now and the actual start of the tournament, and feel free to give feedback.

I'll divide people into 7 groups. (No way it'll be more than 10 per group, I imagine the absolute highest it would be is 5 or 6) During a 2 day period (the two weeks divided by 7), a person in one group would have to play all of the people in another group, or if you are the odd group out for that period, finish the matches within your own group. I'd be very flexible with this though, if you know that two players aren't going to be able to play a match in a certain time frame but can in another, I can switch matches or even groups, and if you know you're going to be away from the computer from some time during the two weeks, I can postpone or move up matches as needed, my main goal is ultimately to have all the matches played within the two weeks. However, in this system, if you don't speak to me about changing times or groups and a match doesn't happen, then I will deal with those situations as necessary.

In a moment, I'll start the group division. How it'll work is that I'll take the list of participants thus far, put them in a random order, and then count off by 7. If new people sign up that need to go into a group, that will be determined at random based on the number of groups that have gaps, or if all groups are even (as it'll start out as I post this), they could go into any group at random I'll also put a tentative schedule of groups playing against each other. If this group division idea ends up not working for whatever reason, I'll either try to come up with another one in time, or go with the format of simply playing all of the matches in two weeks.

EDIT: And here are the groups right now based on this randomization process.

Group 1:
Matthew Tassier
Gavin Chipper
Edward McCullagh
Martin Long

Group 2:
Jamie French
Dan Abrey
James Bradley
Matt Morrison

Group 3:
James Robinson
Jim Bentley
Martyn Simpson
Stuart Arnot

Group 4:
Mark James
Hugh Binnie
Liam Tiernan
James Wilson

Group 5:
James Hall
Rhys Benjamin
Kai Laddiman
Lee Kelly

Group 6:
Dave Mattingly
Ian Volante
Ryan Taylor
Milo Mackenzie

Group 7:
Lloyd Pettet
Michael Wallace
James Levinson
Joseph Krol

Here's a tentative schedule of matchups of groups:

Days 1-2:
Group 1 v Group 2
Group 3 v Group 4
Group 5 v Group 6
Group 7 v itself

Days 3-4:
Group 1 v Group 3
Group 2 v Group 5
Group 4 v Group 7
Group 6 v itself

Days 5-6
Group 1 v Group 4
Group 2 v Group 3
Group 6 v Group 7
Group 5 v itself

Days 7-8
Group 1 v Group 5
Group 2 v Group 6
Group 3 v Group 7
Group 4 v itself

Days 9-10
Group 1 v Group 6
Group 2 v Group 7
Group 4 v Group 5
Group 3 v itself

Days 11-12
Group 1 v Group 7
Group 3 v Group 5
Group 4 v Group 6
Group 2 v itself

Days 13-14
Group 2 v Group 4
Group 3 v Group 6
Group 5 v Group 7
Group 1 v itself

It might be quite tough to play everyone in a group over two days. If you're out one evening then you have to hope everyone''s available on the other one while you're one.

Group 1:
Matthew Tassier
Gavin Chipper
Edward McCullagh
Martin Long

I panicked when I saw that - but then read that it's not that you just play people in your own group.

I have the same concern as Gavin, I'll find it tricky to fit 3 games in every two days at certain times, as I have a job!! Perhaps a group-based knockout would be more appropriate? As in you play the 3 people in your group and the top 2 or whatever go through to the next round?

Dan Abrey wrote:I have the same concern as Gavin, I'll find it tricky to fit 3 games in every two days at certain times

Ditto. I'm afraid I'd have to quit if this was the schedule, I can't commit to that sort of timetable.

Think I'm going to go back to the free-for all to make sure people have enough time as possible. As I said, my goal is mainly to have everybody play everybody, and if that's easier in the free-for-all, then that's what I"m going to do. If that's the case, I think I might also extend the time of everything into a third week considering we already have 28 people.

Three weeks to play about thirty people is highly optimistic! I'll try, but there'll be a lot of missing matches I reckon.

In other tournaments, it's taken me a week to organise one game against one person. I don't think a round robin system or even a group stage is gonna work. Should really be just a straight knockout.

It would be really good if everyone could play everyone else, but I'm not sure how realistic it is.

I'd like in on this please!

James Leroux wrote:I'd like in on this please!

James, I'm out this weekend so I probably won't be able to play many matches at all, so you can have my place.

I'd like in though I am on unavailable from 16th-26th. I hope it is feasible to play my matches (fairly flexible there after) from 27th onwards in whatever format the tournament takes.

I'm going to have to pull out of this I'm afraid

Gonna be in Portugal for a week during this so I won't be able to go on apterous

Apologies for me having not being here in awhile, although this is also related to what I'm about to say.

I'm going to have to postpone the tournament. I'm graduating from I suppose what you would call university very soon, and I figured the workload would hike up, but it hiked up much more than I expected. Sorry for the inconvience, I won't be outright cancelling this, but I'm going to wait until the summer. I'll figure out whether I'll do a new sign up thread or whether I just message everybody who signed up so far and see if they still want to. Again, my apologies for this.

Jordan F wrote:I'm going to wait until the summer

On the plus side, that might give me time to add the feature you wanted.

I'd like to sign up, please.

In please, if I'm not too late.

Am I too late to enter? If I'm not, I'll play please.

Jordan F wrote:I'm going to have to postpone the tournament....I'm going to wait until the summer. I'll figure out whether I'll do a new sign up thread or whether I just message everybody who signed up so far and see if they still want to.

Thomas Carey wrote:In please, if I'm not too late.

Soph K wrote:Am I too late to enter? If I'm not, I'll play please.

Take note of Jordan's earlier message in the thread, I imagine it is likely that a new thread will be created when he is organisig it in the summer.