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Gavin Chipper wrote:On some of the variants (the obscure ones), the glory roll doesn't seem to work properly for them. I have top losing score of 0 for Gevin's Delight, despite never scoring 0. And I have the high score for it but that isn't mentioned. Also my top score for Numberbash isn't mentioned (although things like top losing score are).

You don't have the top losing score of 0, you won the game in which the top losing score happened. (Either Charlie likes it that way or he hasn't bothered to fix it, 'cause that's been around for a while.)

Also you only get high score mentions for "highscore variants", defined to be the variants that appear on this page.

Andrew Feist wrote:

Gavin Chipper wrote:On some of the variants (the obscure ones), the glory roll doesn't seem to work properly for them. I have top losing score of 0 for Gevin's Delight, despite never scoring 0. And I have the high score for it but that isn't mentioned. Also my top score for Numberbash isn't mentioned (although things like top losing score are).

You don't have the top losing score of 0, you won the game in which the top losing score happened. (Either Charlie likes it that way or he hasn't bothered to fix it, 'cause that's been around for a while.)

Also you only get high score mentions for "highscore variants", defined to be the variants that appear on this page.

But then I should have a lot more top losing scores of 0 as well (every time I play Prune). If some of the variants don't count for high scores, it would make sense to have them not count for the other records as well, since they are generally even less important.

Gavin Chipper wrote:But then I should have a lot more top losing scores of 0 as well (every time I play Prune).

Bots aren't included.

Kai Laddiman wrote:

Gavin Chipper wrote:But then I should have a lot more top losing scores of 0 as well (every time I play Prune).

Bots aren't included.

Charlie's sorted it now anyway (cheers, Charles) but I think the 0 in my Glory Roll was Prune's score anyway.

Just had a bug in my game with Innis.

http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=373261 (Not necessarily helpful, should've Print Screen'd it really, but oh well)

In the last numbers game, I got the target and had it all fully written out, with the target declared and then, a few seconds later, it shows just Innis with his 1 away, and no mention of my perfect answer, not even a "Sorry, I got it wrong, etc." thing either, or a separate box asking me to show the working out.

Then, as you can see in the link above, no mention of me even declaring my 583 either, even though while we were in play, it clearly showed "583 X".

Wouldn't have made a difference luckily, but a tad annoying, after you just capsized in a good game.

I wasn't forced to abstain in the GOTW voting for my game vs Rex. Are we supposed to be allowed to vote on our own games now?

Adam Gillard wrote:I wasn't forced to abstain in the GOTW voting for my game vs Rex. Are we supposed to be allowed to vote on our own games now?

Yes.

Charlie Reams wrote:That was semi-deliberate. On the one hand I think it's perfectly reasonable to vote on your own game, especially if it's one where it was really the other person's performance that was notable. If someone wants to give all their own games 5 every week then that's fine, it's no different to Nick Clegg voting for the Lib Dems (although he might be regretting that now). On the other hand, it's fiddly to force a certain vote when everything is asynchronous and you might have a player who is in every nominated game and so can't vote at all and blah blah.

Charlie, the chat is getting flooded with spurious claims about missed 12s from hyper variants, and possibly also supposed 7s from junior. Is this an update that went wrong?

I like it.

2011-01-04 18:39:48 The 12 from TIUAGMFWRAIO was FUMIGATOR!

That's a 9-letter word.

2011-01-04 18:40:06 The 12 from NEDUXOBETAJY was BAYONETED!

And again.

I like the new system but it has some teething problems.

Chris Hare and The Guardian missed a -1 from NNSAORE; can you spot it?
Kirk Bevins: wtf?
The -1s from NNSAORE were RARENESSES, REASSESSES, SANENESSES, NEARNESSES, SORENESSES!

Well I for one am enjoying these new Dadaist aptochat games.

http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... igh_scores
At the bottom: "Key:- Max games are in bold; new records are in red; long-standing records are in blue".

Not really a bug but hey, that's just confusing.

Also, different (more-buggy) bug, during the duel today I guessed at a goatundrum before the final letter had been revealed and (when I was shown to be wrong) the last letter was revealed immediately. About 10 seconds later Jeff said "let's reveal the full shuffle", at which nothing happened.

Just s duel bug or a general goatundrum one?

James Hall wrote:http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... igh_scores
At the bottom: "Key:- Max games are in bold; new records are in red; long-standing records are in blue".

Not really a bug but hey, that's just confusing.

It looks sort of red here, I haven't got the best colour vision though.

James Hall wrote:Also, different (more-buggy) bug, during the duel today I guessed at a goatundrum before the final letter had been revealed and (when I was shown to be wrong) the last letter was revealed immediately. About 10 seconds later Jeff said "let's reveal the full shuffle", at which nothing happened.

Just s duel bug or a general goatundrum one?

I think it's deliberate that you get shown the scramble once you've incorrectly buzzed, but AFAIK the opponent can't see the 9th letter.

Just a slight problem: this page is misaligned; the Goatdown stats is overlapped by the Hypergoatdown stats.

Kirk Bevins beat James Robinson 133-124 in a Junior 15 Rounder. James posted a new personal best.

Although at the start of the game it said: Your PB in this format is 127; your opponent's is 114.

Shouldn't we both have that message that we posted a PB?

A bit of an oddity I've just noticed, not that it affects gameplay:

My user pages which have previously showed data for the last 30 days (e.g. my list of nines from the last 30 days and my table of formats played for the last 30 days), now seem to be showing data for a much longer period. I've got nines and games still on these pages which date back as far as 11 October (and possibly earlier).

Matt Bayfield wrote:A bit of an oddity I've just noticed, not that it affects gameplay:

My user pages which have previously showed data for the last 30 days (e.g. my list of nines from the last 30 days and my table of formats played for the last 30 days), now seem to be showing data for a much longer period. I've got nines and games still on these pages which date back as far as 11 October (and possibly earlier).

Well spotted. For some reason the threshhold hasn't been moving forward since mid-November. Will investigate.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Matt Bayfield wrote:A bit of an oddity I've just noticed, not that it affects gameplay:

My user pages which have previously showed data for the last 30 days (e.g. my list of nines from the last 30 days and my table of formats played for the last 30 days), now seem to be showing data for a much longer period. I've got nines and games still on these pages which date back as far as 11 October (and possibly earlier).

Well spotted. For some reason the threshhold hasn't been moving forward since mid-November. Will investigate.

http://www.c4countdown.co.uk/viewtopic. ... 20#p104984

http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=363351

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Rhys Benjamin wrote:http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=363351

???

Looks like rounds 2-15 are "missing", but did happen. If you look at Nick's format page, he apparently got 3 maxes, which suggests the game was completed but somehow most of the rounds have got lost somewhere. Least, that's how it looks to me.

JimBentley wrote:

Rhys Benjamin wrote:http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=363351

???

Looks like rounds 2-15 are "missing", but did happen. If you look at Nick's format page, he apparently got 3 maxes, which suggests the game was completed but somehow most of the rounds have got lost somewhere. Least, that's how it looks to me.

Interesting. I wonder if there are other ways of getting information out of that game. Or have we exhausted it now? What if he'd won a pencil? (Not that likely I suppose)

The change to make 2nd and subsequent Ascensions consist only of conundrums which the player missed in their previous Ascension, has had an interesting effect for me.

Possibly because I have already climbed higher than the number of conundrums I got wrong first time round, I now get told I am -554 m from the top. Then when trying to resume my climb, I get the following error:

An error was encountered. If you'd like to report this error, see: http://www.apterous.org/help.php?page=12#info.
Error type: java.io.EOFException.

Anything you can do to fix that please, as I rather like conundrum attacks?!

Matt Bayfield wrote:The change to make 2nd and subsequent Ascensions consist only of conundrums which the player missed in their previous Ascension, has had an interesting effect for me.

Possibly because I have already climbed higher than the number of conundrums I got wrong first time round, I now get told I am -554 m from the top. Then when trying to resume my climb, I get the following error:

An error was encountered. If you'd like to report this error, see: http://www.apterous.org/help.php?page=12#info.
Error type: java.io.EOFException.

Anything you can do to fix that please, as I rather like conundrum attacks?!

Hmm, I didn't notice that anyone had done enough of their second run that they'd actually overshoot the new end point. There's not much I can do to salvage it, so I've just terminated your current run and started you on a third one, where everything should run smoothly. Not ideal but hopefully it shouldn't matter too much.

No probs Charlie; thanks for fixing.

Incidentally, I note that I have 1765 m to climb this time round. This is less than the 2000+ conundrums I missed in my first Ascension - I am guessing that any additional conundrums I got correct in my abortive second Ascension, have also been removed from my third climb.

[edit: 1745 changed to 1765]

It doesn't seem to allow LLANFAIRPWLLGWYNGYLLGOGERYCHWYRNDROBWLLLLANDYSILIOGOGOGOCH in Dutch spoilage despite it supposedly being a valid word.

Matt Bayfield wrote:No probs Charlie; thanks for fixing.

Incidentally, I note that I have 1765 m to climb this time round. This is less than the 2000+ conundrums I missed in my first Ascension - I am guessing that any additional conundrums I got correct in my abortive second Ascension, have also been removed from my third climb.

[edit: 1745 changed to 1765]

Yep.

There seems to be a bug in my current ongoing game with Craig Mason (we have decided to resume at a later time because of the current lag) with the first numbers round, it states it can't be got spot on. But if you do:

7+5 = 12
12x75 = 900
2x3 = 6
900-7-6 = 887 the exact target.

(target: 887, numbers are 75, 7, 7, 2, 3, 5)

Jojo Apollo wrote:There seems to be a bug in my current ongoing game with Craig Mason (we have decided to resume at a later time because of the current lag) with the first numbers round, it states it can't be got spot on. But if you do:

7+5 = 12
12x75 = 900
2x3 = 6
900-7-6 = 887 the exact target.

(target: 887, numbers are 75, 7, 7, 2, 3, 5)

When I was on earlier there was a lot of lag and I solved a few numbers games that it claimed was impossible. It happens when there's lag.

I wonder though if there's a way of purging such things from the statistics. I know it's sad but I went on to try and boost my one-large max percentage. I think I got 19 maxes out of 20 (the last game might not have been impossible given the lag) but I think it will have counted the games where I beat Apterous against me.

I just did an unlimited junior numbers attack and it said in the rules that the big number could be anything from 11-99, when actually it's just 10 or 20.

Gavin Chipper wrote:I just did an unlimited junior numbers attack and it said in the rules that the big number could be anything from 11-99, when actually it's just 10 or 20.

That's meant to mean the target number. Matthew!

I resumed a German Goatdown Jnr. game today and played 1 round. Everything worked fine until the clock ended, when I got the generic error message. Here is the appropriate console info:

2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024282990 java.util.ArrayList cannot be cast to [Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024339139 java.lang.ClassCastException: java.util.ArrayList cannot be cast to [Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024557788 at net.client.ClientGame.play(ClientGame.java:84)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024601047 at applet.frontend.MainPanel$1.run(MainPanel.java:130)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025196427 RX GameEvent{key=979 o=82}
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025431607 XX GameEvent{key=979 o=82}
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025570263 {Thread-36} Subscribe failure
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025617734 java.lang.Character cannot be cast to java.util.List
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025663199 java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Character cannot be cast to java.util.List
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025732664 at net.client.ClientGame.getMaxes(ClientGame.java:205)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025771951 at applet.AppletPlayer.getMaxes(AppletPlayer.java:212)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025808753 at applet.letters.LettersFrame$7.run(LettersFrame.java:683)

Kai Laddiman wrote:I resumed a German Goatdown Jnr. game today and played 1 round. Everything worked fine until the clock ended, when I got the generic error message. Here is the appropriate console info:

2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024282990 java.util.ArrayList cannot be cast to [Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024339139 java.lang.ClassCastException: java.util.ArrayList cannot be cast to [Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024557788 at net.client.ClientGame.play(ClientGame.java:84)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561024601047 at applet.frontend.MainPanel$1.run(MainPanel.java:130)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025196427 RX GameEvent{key=979 o=82}
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025431607 XX GameEvent{key=979 o=82}
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025570263 {Thread-36} Subscribe failure
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025617734 java.lang.Character cannot be cast to java.util.List
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025663199 java.lang.ClassCastException: java.lang.Character cannot be cast to java.util.List
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025732664 at net.client.ClientGame.getMaxes(ClientGame.java:205)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025771951 at applet.AppletPlayer.getMaxes(AppletPlayer.java:212)
2011-01-19 15:53:48 1021561025808753 at applet.letters.LettersFrame$7.run(LettersFrame.java:683)

Yeah, this keeps coming up, I've had it myself a few times. Thanks for grabbing the exact trace. I haven't yet managed to figure out the cause but if I get enough reports then maybe I can spot the common factor.

Okay, who ate Apterous?

Ian Volante wrote:Okay, who ate Apterous?

Sorry, I'm trying out a new Weetabix technique.

Charlie on apterous wrote:11pm, 21 Jan 2011: apterous will return shortly.

Update (7am, 22 Jan 2011): Taking a bit longer than expected. Thanks for your patience.

Update (1pm, 22 Jan 2011): Still slaving away. Feeling quite tired now.

This is an epic stint! Charlie, I don't know what's involved but I'm sure it's all very technical and difficult and I just wanted to you let you know that all your work on apterous is much, much appreciated. I realise you probably know this already but it doesn't hurt to say it again from time to time.

JimBentley wrote:

Charlie on apterous wrote:11pm, 21 Jan 2011: apterous will return shortly.

Update (7am, 22 Jan 2011): Taking a bit longer than expected. Thanks for your patience.

Update (1pm, 22 Jan 2011): Still slaving away. Feeling quite tired now.

This is an epic stint! Charlie, I don't know what's involved but I'm sure it's all very technical and difficult and I just wanted to you let you know that all your work on apterous is much, much appreciated. I realise you probably know this already but it doesn't hurt to say it again from time to time.

Cheers dude. Interesting role reversal from the Conundrum Marathon for which the userbase were up all night while I slept through it.

Charlie Reams wrote:

JimBentley wrote:

Charlie on apterous wrote:11pm, 21 Jan 2011: apterous will return shortly.

Update (7am, 22 Jan 2011): Taking a bit longer than expected. Thanks for your patience.

Update (1pm, 22 Jan 2011): Still slaving away. Feeling quite tired now.

This is an epic stint! Charlie, I don't know what's involved but I'm sure it's all very technical and difficult and I just wanted to you let you know that all your work on apterous is much, much appreciated. I realise you probably know this already but it doesn't hurt to say it again from time to time.

Cheers dude. Interesting role reversal from the Conundrum Marathon for which the userbase were up all night while I slept through it.

Jim seconded. Are these updates appearing inbetween extended downtime, as I'm getting a 404 instead of the home page?

Actually, found them: my link points at index.php rather than the actual root page.

I had a strange dream last night about why Apterous was down. But here is not the place for it.

I typed in my declaration and hit enter with about 10 seconds to go. It came up, as per se, but did not register and I scored nil point.

Charlie Reams wrote:Meanwhile, enjoy the site and please report any issues you encounter

A couple of things I've noticed.....

The Duel results and league haven't updated since the 20th.

Also, the KPI section of superstats is not displaying any data.

Tried to view a game and came up with this,

_______________________________________________




$(document).ready(function(){

var jToolkit = java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit();
var jScreenSize = jToolkit.getScreenSize();
screenW = jScreenSize.width;
screenH = jScreenSize.height;

var myWidth = 0, myHeight = 0;
if( typeof( window.innerWidth ) == 'number' ) {
//Non-IE
myWidth = window.innerWidth;
myHeight = window.innerHeight;
} else if( document.documentElement && ( document.documentElement.clientWidth || document.documentElement.clientHeight ) ) {
//IE 6+ in 'standards compliant mode'
myWidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth;
myHeight = document.documentElement.clientHeight;
} else if( document.body && ( document.body.clientWidth || document.body.clientHeight ) ) {
//IE 4 compatible
myWidth = document.body.clientWidth;
myHeight = document.body.clientHeight;
}

alert( screenW + ' ' + screenH + ' ' + myWidth + ' ' + myHeight );
});

I was a silly person and got a conundrum wrong in the duel, which led to: May be lag related, as it took a long time for the DesO summary to come up after round 1.

"Jack Hurst commented on Mikki Nicholson's game with her."

I thought this got sorted.

Everyone with a rating over 1600-ish seems to be #1.

I've just spent ages trying to get 200 in an all 2-large numbers attack. Where the fuck is it???

Apparently no games were completed between 9:23pm and 9:33pm. That's quite a big gap. Have games just got lost?

Edit - There are a couple of others in the chat archive in that period. Not just mine.

I was just thinking about how unlucky I'd been, not getting a max game. Apparently I've been doing about 86% maxes, which means that a max game should come about once every 20 or so. And I'd done loads more than that. 78 before the max game to be precise. Apparently I had about a 2% of not having a max game in 78. And then one comes along and it's wiped. And if anything you're more likely to get a max game than the stats say because form goes up and down and if it works around the same average it gives you a better chance (I think yesterday I was doing 89). Not that I'm bitter.

I'm still counting it though. You can't make me come back onto Apterous and keep playing until I get another max game.

Gavin Chipper wrote:Apparently no games were completed between 9:23pm and 9:33pm. That's quite a big gap. Have games just got lost?

Edit - There are a couple of others in the chat archive in that period. Not just mine.

I was just thinking about how unlucky I'd been, not getting a max game. Apparently I've been doing about 86% maxes, which means that a max game should come about once every 20 or so. And I'd done loads more than that. 78 before the max game to be precise. Apparently I had about a 2% of not having a max game in 78. And then one comes along and it's wiped. And if anything you're more likely to get a max game than the stats say because form goes up and down and if it works around the same average it gives you a better chance (I think yesterday I was doing 89). Not that I'm bitter.

I'm still counting it though. You can't make me come back onto Apterous and keep playing until I get another max game.

Well I for one don't believe you.

I'm getting emails saying my game has been nominated for GOTW. There's no option to stop these emails in the user settings.

Adam Gillard wrote:I'm getting emails saying my game has been nominated for GOTW. There's no option to stop these emails in the user settings.

Feature request?

Charlie Reams wrote:

Adam Gillard wrote:I'm getting emails saying my game has been nominated for GOTW. There's no option to stop these emails in the user settings.

Feature request?

I thought unsolicited emails was more of a bug thing.

I'll do my bit in the future by making sure to never nominate or comment on your games in the future, Adam. I hope that helps.

Matt Morrison wrote:I'll do my bit in the future by making sure to never nominate or comment on your games in the future, Adam. I hope that helps.

Thanks!

http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=2 ... 2#r3193062

This game has been excluded like a naughty schoolchild. It may reflect a bug in the game or include a player of questionable repute, and will therefore not be included in high scores, Daily Duel or other statistics.

http://apterous.org/statland.php?sectio ... conundrums

Touch Jnr BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms

In a Lockdown letters round, the dictionary corner guest dialogue read:
"I couldn't find a nine this time, but I did better than these guys with SHMEARING".

Lockdown numbers rounds are cheatable - pointed out and explained by Bayfield, who is too kind to bring it up on your birthday Charlie so offered me the gold bug

See his game: http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ga ... 7#r5708527

You can use the Locked number and any other number to create a bit that you never have to use, so long as you can do the target with the other numbers.
Pretty sure that isn't right and shouldn't be allowed?

Matt Morrison wrote:Lockdown numbers rounds are cheatable - pointed out and explained by Bayfield, who is too kind to bring it up on your birthday Charlie so offered me the gold bug

See his game: http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ga ... 7#r5708527

You can use the Locked number and any other number to create a bit that you never have to use, so long as you can do the target with the other numbers.
Pretty sure that isn't right and shouldn't be allowed?

1) Matthew Tassier else beat you to it.
2) You don't get a Gold Bug for alerting everyone else to the exploit

Charlie Reams wrote:1) Matthew Tassier else beat you to it.

Why do they call him the Secret Bug Report Fun Spoiler?

Charlie Reams wrote:2) You don't get a Gold Bug for alerting everyone else to the exploit

Why do they call you the Gold Bug Fun Spoiler?

Gavin Chipper wrote:http://apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=2 ... 2#r3193062

This game has been excluded like a naughty schoolchild. It may reflect a bug in the game or include a player of questionable repute, and will therefore not be included in high scores, Daily Duel or other statistics.

http://apterous.org/statland.php?sectio ... conundrums

Touch Jnr BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms BETWIXT
Kieran Child
219 ms

As I see this has been fixed I should confess my 5th place record time for Unlimited Jr. shouldn't count as it was achieved by being able to do a Daily Duel twice. Actually I got to do that particular duel about four times but I'm pretty sure it was the second time I broke the record. Apologies anyway.

This Classic game against should be against Stewart Gordon, not Michael Batty.