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Think that was because his marriage is breaking up and some family of his wife had gotten into the audience. It was to do with the marriage break-up anyway.Steve Durney wrote:Whats the problem with Shaun Murphy? I don't particularly follow Snooker, but know who's who, and was surprised to hear that he kept getting booed. Doesn't appear to be a Naseem Hamed type to me. Is he an arrogant boaster or something?
Why?Jon O'Neill wrote:Murphy is a cunt.
He just comes across as incredibly self-assured and smug. If it were Countdown, he'd probably take a sip of his water at every opportunity. Also he's fat. I don't like fat people.Steve Durney wrote:Why?Jon O'Neill wrote:Murphy is a cunt.
Well, if that's the case, then fair enough! That's just bad sportsmanship and plain petty.Phil Collinge wrote:This is from memory so will not be 100% accurate but Murphy played a match against Stephen Maguire in the Grand Prix (?) circa 2004. Both players entered the arena, only for Maguire to realise he had left his chalk in the dressing room.
As Maguire left to retrieve it, Murphy championed the referee to have him him docked a frame for not being ready on time. The referee had no option to agree, as this was in the rules, if not in the spirit of the game.
Maguire proceeded to win the match 5-2 and Murphy quite rightly earned his reputation as a cunt.
What the hell? He's nowhere near as fat, and I love him.Matthew Green wrote:Thierry Henry (the Shaun Murphy of football)
I'd say he's the smuggest cunt in the world of sport.Jon O'Neill wrote:What the hell? He's nowhere near as fat, and I love him.Matthew Green wrote:Thierry Henry (the Shaun Murphy of football)
Thierry Henry is a legend and the greatest player to have ever played in the Premier league! And he's certainly not smug!Matthew Green wrote:I'd say he's the smuggest cunt in the world of sport.Jon O'Neill wrote:What the hell? He's nowhere near as fat, and I love him.Matthew Green wrote:Thierry Henry (the Shaun Murphy of football)
Cannot believe I left out Jeremy Kyle. In fact I'll leave him out a la Beevers at COC, just to give the others a chance.
Most over-rated player ever to have played in the Premier League, with the possible exception of Steven Gerrard because of the Liverpool fans at the BBC. Two players who get shown up for being pretty unremarkable when playing at the top level. Henry's finishing isn't good enough and he can't head the ball, fortunately for him when he played at Arsenal he was made the focus of every single attacking move - so he couldn't fail to score a shedload and they kept the ball on the deck for him. Once the media cut out all the chances he missed and coughed up the highlights reel it makes him look a hell of a lot better than he is. Oh and he's a posing twat as well, which helps along with other things to bump up the hype factor.Steve Durney wrote:Thierry Henry is a legend and the greatest player to have ever played in the Premier league! And he's certainly not smug!
The biggest load of crap i've ever read! Ha ha. Just so stupid I can only guess you're joking!Craig Beevers wrote:Most over-rated player ever to have played in the Premier League, with the possible exception of Steven Gerrard because of the Liverpool fans at the BBC. Two players who get shown up for being pretty unremarkable when playing at the top level. Henry's finishing isn't good enough and he can't head the ball, fortunately for him when he played at Arsenal he was made the focus of every single attacking move - so he couldn't fail to score a shedload and they kept the ball on the deck for him. Once the media cut out all the chances he missed and coughed up the highlights reel it makes him look a hell of a lot better than he is. Oh and he's a posing twat as well, which helps along with other things to bump up the hype factor.Steve Durney wrote:Thierry Henry is a legend and the greatest player to have ever played in the Premier league! And he's certainly not smug!
Outrageous on both counts. Just outrageous. Granted, he couldn't head a ball, but his finishing not being good enough? That's outrageous. Look at his goalscoring record. Just how many chances does he have to get before scoring 174 in 254 Premier League games means he is not a prolific striker? Not to mention the 80 or so assists. There's a reason he was the focus of every single one of their attacking moves, and that was his tendency to score a shit load of goals. Not that I took the anything in your post seriously after the Steven Gerrard statement. I would go so far as to say that Steven Gerrard is under-rated. He improves attacking situations like no other player I've ever seen. I can't think of a better attacking midfielder in the world.Craig Beevers wrote:Most over-rated player ever to have played in the Premier League, with the possible exception of Steven Gerrard because of the Liverpool fans at the BBC. Two players who get shown up for being pretty unremarkable when playing at the top level. Henry's finishing isn't good enough and he can't head the ball, fortunately for him when he played at Arsenal he was made the focus of every single attacking move - so he couldn't fail to score a shedload and they kept the ball on the deck for him. Once the media cut out all the chances he missed and coughed up the highlights reel it makes him look a hell of a lot better than he is. Oh and he's a posing twat as well, which helps along with other things to bump up the hype factor.Steve Durney wrote:Thierry Henry is a legend and the greatest player to have ever played in the Premier league! And he's certainly not smug!
Couldn't agree more, Jon.Jon O'Neill wrote:Outrageous on both counts. Just outrageous. Granted, he couldn't head a ball, but his finishing not being good enough? That's outrageous. Look at his goalscoring record. Just how many chances does he have to get before scoring 174 in 254 Premier League games means he is not a prolific striker? Not to mention the 80 or so assists. There's a reason he was the focus of every single one of their attacking moves, and that was his tendency to score a shit load of goals. Not that I took the anything in your post seriously after the Steven Gerrard statement. I would go so far as to say that Steven Gerrard is under-rated. He improves attacking situations like no other player I've ever seen. I can't think of a better attacking midfielder in the world.Craig Beevers wrote:Most over-rated player ever to have played in the Premier League, with the possible exception of Steven Gerrard because of the Liverpool fans at the BBC. Two players who get shown up for being pretty unremarkable when playing at the top level. Henry's finishing isn't good enough and he can't head the ball, fortunately for him when he played at Arsenal he was made the focus of every single attacking move - so he couldn't fail to score a shedload and they kept the ball on the deck for him. Once the media cut out all the chances he missed and coughed up the highlights reel it makes him look a hell of a lot better than he is. Oh and he's a posing twat as well, which helps along with other things to bump up the hype factor.Steve Durney wrote:Thierry Henry is a legend and the greatest player to have ever played in the Premier league! And he's certainly not smug!
No Charlie, the statistics demolish Craig's point!Charlie Reams wrote:An Arsenal and a Liverpool fan who think Henry and Gerrard are great. Wow, you really demolished Craig's point with that!
Charlie Reams wrote:An Arsenal fan who thinks Henry is great.
Just because he moved to Barcelona doesnt undo all that he done for us. The unbeaten season would never have happened without Henry. Quite simply the greatest player in Arsenal's history, backed up by a poll on the club's website AFTER he'd left.Callum Laddiman wrote:Charlie Reams wrote:An Arsenal fan who thinks Henry is great.
Since when did Henry play for Liverpool, and Gerrard for Arsenal?Charlie Reams wrote:An Arsenal and a Liverpool fan who think Henry and Gerrard are great. Wow, you really demolished Craig's point with that!
I wish Gerrard did play for Arsenal!Jon O'Neill wrote:Since when did Henry play for Liverpool, and Gerrard for Arsenal?Charlie Reams wrote:An Arsenal and a Liverpool fan who think Henry and Gerrard are great. Wow, you really demolished Craig's point with that!
Surely this should read "I hope the colin credibility", for fear of upsetting the easily offended?Craig Beevers wrote:
I think the poll lacks credibility
OK... well remember Zidane's last international football moment? What a disgrace...Matthew Green wrote:Whether he's good or not is not relevant to this thread, he is undoubtedly a smug, self-absorbed, over indulged smarmy little twat. That failed penalty against Man City showed him up for everything he is.
Zidane was a million times better than Henry and a million times more humble and likeable.
If that is what he meant, then it's a pretty stupid comparison. Henry's exploitation of those rules makes him, in my eyes, a virtuoso. Think the bodyline series in cricket. Exploitation shapes the rules and makes the game what it is.Adam Dexter wrote:Anyway... I think the original point was that Henry was akin to Murphy, in that he is unsportsmanlike. This is typified by the forcing of rules having to be rewritten, just because he found a loophole. An example is the rule that says now that it is one motion when the ball leaves the goalkeeper's hand to the kick, so that you can't steal the ball mid-drop. His unsportmanship necessitated this. Another example I am a bit fuzzy on is something to do with the offside rule, but I cba to look it up.
I agree with your post completely. But Best is a twat.Steve Durney wrote:The penalty incident involving Robert Pires, which was given as an example of Henry being a bad sportsman, was actually originally tried (successfully) by the great Ajax team of the Seventies, involving one Johan Cruyff. The kicking the ball after leaving the goalie's hands mid-kick was also done before, by George Best. Don't hear anybody slating Cruyff and Best as bad sportsmen, or being smug, or arrogant, or twats, on here though.
That's because sensible discussion and logical reasoning rapidly leave the room whenever football 'fans' start one of their interminable pointless arguments. The very fact that footballers (or indeed sportsmen of any hue) are even being mentioned in a thread with this title says it all.Steve Durney wrote:The penalty incident involving Robert Pires, which was given as an example of Henry being a bad sportsman, was actually originally tried (successfully) by the great Ajax team of the Seventies, involving one Johan Cruyff. The kicking the ball after leaving the goalie's hands mid-kick was also done before, by George Best. Don't hear anybody slating Cruyff and Best as bad sportsmen, or being smug, or arrogant, or twats, on here though.
I've generally not got a problem with anybody being smug, so long as they can back it up and not go ott. Hamed, Eubank etc usually (or used to at least) back up their cockiness with huge talent which they worked hard to achieve. But I can't stand cheating of any kind or deliberately trying to get an opponent penalised, especially in the way Murphy did.Phil Reynolds wrote:That's because sensible discussion and logical reasoning rapidly leave the room whenever football 'fans' start one of their interminable pointless arguments. The very fact that footballers (or indeed sportsmen of any hue) are even being mentioned in a thread with this title says it all.Steve Durney wrote:The penalty incident involving Robert Pires, which was given as an example of Henry being a bad sportsman, was actually originally tried (successfully) by the great Ajax team of the Seventies, involving one Johan Cruyff. The kicking the ball after leaving the goalie's hands mid-kick was also done before, by George Best. Don't hear anybody slating Cruyff and Best as bad sportsmen, or being smug, or arrogant, or twats, on here though.
Your reply appears to be orthogonal to my post.Steve Durney wrote:I've generally not got a problem with anybody being smug, so long as they can back it up and not go ott. Hamed, Eubank etc usually (or used to at least) back up their cockiness with huge talent which they worked hard to achieve. But I can't stand cheating of any kind or deliberately trying to get an opponent penalised, especially in the way Murphy did.Phil Reynolds wrote:sensible discussion and logical reasoning rapidly leave the room whenever football 'fans' start one of their interminable pointless arguments. The very fact that footballers (or indeed sportsmen of any hue) are even being mentioned in a thread with this title says it all.
A headbutt to the chest? At worst you end up a bit winded.Adam Dexter wrote:OK... well remember Zidane's last international football moment? What a disgrace...Matthew Green wrote:Whether he's good or not is not relevant to this thread, he is undoubtedly a smug, self-absorbed, over indulged smarmy little twat. That failed penalty against Man City showed him up for everything he is.
Zidane was a million times better than Henry and a million times more humble and likeable.
He scored that many because, I'll repeat it in nice big letters for you, he was the focus of *every* attack. Funny how Arsenal is the only side where he's looked good and even then his scoring record is exaggerated by all the times he filled his boots against relegation fodder - I still remember him missing two sitters in the CL final against Barcelona, was pretty amusing really because I hate the Arsenal team under Wenger. Genuine top notch forwards wouldn't have missed those chances. Give anyone decent hatfuls of chances and they'll have a good scoring record, see forwards who play for Celtic/Rangers.Jon O'Neill wrote:Outrageous on both counts. Just outrageous. Granted, he couldn't head a ball, but his finishing not being good enough? That's outrageous. Look at his goalscoring record. Just how many chances does he have to get before scoring 174 in 254 Premier League games means he is not a prolific striker? Not to mention the 80 or so assists. There's a reason he was the focus of every single one of their attacking moves, and that was his tendency to score a shit load of goals. Not that I took the anything in your post seriously after the Steven Gerrard statement. I would go so far as to say that Steven Gerrard is under-rated. He improves attacking situations like no other player I've ever seen. I can't think of a better attacking midfielder in the world.Craig Beevers wrote:Most over-rated player ever to have played in the Premier League, with the possible exception of Steven Gerrard because of the Liverpool fans at the BBC. Two players who get shown up for being pretty unremarkable when playing at the top level. Henry's finishing isn't good enough and he can't head the ball, fortunately for him when he played at Arsenal he was made the focus of every single attacking move - so he couldn't fail to score a shedload and they kept the ball on the deck for him. Once the media cut out all the chances he missed and coughed up the highlights reel it makes him look a hell of a lot better than he is. Oh and he's a posing twat as well, which helps along with other things to bump up the hype factor.Steve Durney wrote:Thierry Henry is a legend and the greatest player to have ever played in the Premier league! And he's certainly not smug!
Correct. He does this about one game in every five or six.Junaid Mubeen wrote:I hate Liverpool but have to say that you are chatting absolute shit, Beevers. Gerrard is a rare breed that can control a game and bring out the best in players around him. It takes something special to do what he did against AC Milan in '05 and West Ham the following year, to mention just two of many examples where he has taken the game by the scruff of the neck.
Correct. Remember he isn't the focus of *every* attack any more.Junaid Mubeen wrote:And your criticism of Henry is flawed. With Messi, Eto et al, Henry isn't exactly the focus of every Barca move yet has netted around 1 in 2 games over 2 seasons, in a period where he's been considered way past his best! Smug maybe, but over-rated he is not.
Craig Beevers Series 57 Champion wrote:Thierry Henry . . . Steven Gerrard . . .
I have no idea who any of these people are, but if they get two series winners chatting, they can't be all bad!Junaid Mubeen Series 59 Champion wrote:you are chatting absolute shit, Beevers.
Everybody remembers how vile Maxwell from BB6 was, but he isn't in the list, otherwise he would have gotten 100% of the vote.Matthew Green wrote:Interesting to see Im the only one to vote for Maxwell BB, does nobody remember quite how vile this guy was?
Jog on mate. He was off the hook.Matthew Green wrote:Interesting to see Im the only one to vote for Maxwell BB, does nobody remember quite how vile this guy was?
I met him after the CoC in the pool hall down the road from the hotel. I was wasting some time, having a few beers and trying to rip off the quiz machine. He was having coffee (!?) at the bar waiting to have a few practice games. I had a brief conversation with him and he was quite funny and easy-going; the barman reckons he's a "top bloke." I am more inclined to believe barmen than you miserable cunts!Jon O'Neill wrote:He just comes across as incredibly self-assured and smug. If it were Countdown, he'd probably take a sip of his water at every opportunity. Also he's fat. I don't like fat people.Steve Durney wrote:Why?Jon O'Neill wrote:Murphy is a cunt.
Craig Beevers Series 57 Champion wrote:balls
David O'Donnell Series 58 Champion wrote:cunts!
Junaid Mubeen Series 59 Champion wrote:shit
Cover your eyes and ears before the Series 60 Champion gets here!Couldn't give a shit about awards, because they're based on hype and that's the problem in the first place. Give anyone enough opportunities and they'll score 'wonder goals' (which you've no doubt exaggerated the description of) - saying he has more than anyone else is utterly ridiculous anyway. He is simply not in the same league as players like Ronaldo, Zidane etc. 1 goal every 2 games isn't anything special as far as Barcelona are concerned, this is a team that scores nearly 3 goals a game in La Liga and he's still behind Eto'o and Messi this season.Steve Durney wrote:He scored that many because, I'll repeat it in nice big letters for you, he was the focus of *every* attack. Funny how Arsenal is the only side where he's looked good and even then his scoring record is exaggerated by all the times he filled his boots against relegation fodder - I still remember him missing two sitters in the CL final against Barcelona, was pretty amusing really because I hate the Arsenal team under Wenger. Genuine top notch forwards wouldn't have missed those chances. Give anyone decent hatfuls of chances and they'll have a good scoring record, see forwards who play for Celtic/Rangers.
If you can remember the misses from the CL final, then maybe you'll remember the following as well: His two goals and two assists in the 5-1 demolition of Inter in the San Siro. When he ran from the halfway line and beat 4 or 5 Liverpool players to score and turn the game around. When he scored that amazing goal against Real Madrid in the Bernabeau in 2006. Two fine long range efforts against Man U, one of which is considered one of the best PL goals ever. Or the more than one occasion when he got standing ovations from opposing fans. Henry has a catalogue of wonder goals that maybe only Ronaldo comes close to. Not to mention the enormous, often league leading, number of assists. He was runner-up for the 2003 and 2004 FIFA World Player of the Year award and in those two seasons, he also won back-to-back PFA Players' Player of the Year titles. Henry is the only player ever to have won the Football Writers' Association Footballer of the Year three times (2003, 2004, 2006), and the French Player of the Year on a record four occasions. Henry was voted into the Premier League Overseas Team of the Decade in the 10 Seasons Awards poll in 2003. Eveyone has their own opinion, but you are clearly in the minority here.