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cohost tool
Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:03 pm
by Fiona T
Just in time for Blackpool, Tom Chafer-Cook has relaunched his hosting tool - one stop for checking validity and maxes, generating number targets and round timer. This will make hosting a game so much easier - massive thanks to Tom for this!
https://co-host.netlify.app/
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:23 am
by Andres Sanchez
BIG WIN FOR THE CO-EVENT COMMUNITY THANK YOU TOM!!!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:12 am
by JackHurst
How is the word lookup bring done? Is it checking against some list that needs to be maintained by Tom? Also is there any tracking.
This looks great, but I have 2 concerns:
1) Yet another separate source of truth for word check
2) This is the most easy to use, free to use, anonymous to use Countdown letters cheating tool ever. Assuming the tool is available all year round I could see plenty of people using this get away with cheating....
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:48 am
by Fiona T
JackHurst wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:12 am
How is the word lookup bring done? Is it checking against some list that needs to be maintained by Tom? Also is there any tracking.
This looks great, but I have 2 concerns:
1) Yet another separate source of truth for word check
2) This is the most easy to use, free to use, anonymous to use Countdown letters cheating tool ever. Assuming the tool is available all year round I could see plenty of people using this get away with cheating....
The word check is using the API I built, so I'm maintaining it (same list as RR)
The possibility of it being used to cheat was at the forefront of our minds - detection has been put in place and you will be caught. Don't do it peeps.
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:52 am
by Fiona T
Separately, there is an issue with the timer not being accurate to 30s - I've made Tom aware, but I know he's crazy busy so not expecting a fix before the weekend!
Edit - this has been fixed, cheers Tom!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:04 am
by JackHurst
Fiona T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:48 am
JackHurst wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:12 am
How is the word lookup bring done? Is it checking against some list that needs to be maintained by Tom? Also is there any tracking.
This looks great, but I have 2 concerns:
1) Yet another separate source of truth for word check
2) This is the most easy to use, free to use, anonymous to use Countdown letters cheating tool ever. Assuming the tool is available all year round I could see plenty of people using this get away with cheating....
The word check is using the API I built, so I'm maintaining it (same list as RR)
The possibility of it being used to cheat was at the forefront of our minds - detection has been put in place and you will be caught. Don't do it peeps.
Good stuff! Concerns eradicated, thanks!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:14 am
by Callum Todd
Amazing work Fiona and Tom; thank you both very much!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:30 am
by Gavin Chipper
I'm not sure how you can have a cheat detector at a CO-event, especially if it's Lincoln style. People look up words after the round anyway, both players and hosts, and there'll be no way of correlating look-ups with anything. Even at Bristol style, you'd need someone to monitor word selections that come out versus what people look up and have to have them time synced, so presumably unless the one or two people who have access to this API thing are at the specific event doing this, it would be a non-starter.
In any case, the (Lincoln-style) host is likely to see someone playing on their phone, and the other player would probably anyway in Bristol style.
Plus Apterous has always existed anyway and unless Charlie has something in place (he doesn't) people have been able to use that at CO-events for years.
But this is clearly a really good thing. A free and easy to use word checker that doesn't require a login can be used for people playing Countdown at home. All those spoiler threads where people ask if this word is valid and someone says "Well it's not on Apterous, so probably not but you know caveats etc." won't have to happen. The incredibly edge case of people using it to cheat at CO-events pales into insignificance.
So nice work!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:00 am
by Fiona T
Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:30 am
I'm not sure how you can have a cheat detector at a CO-event, especially if it's Lincoln style. People look up words after the round anyway, both players and hosts, and there'll be no way of correlating look-ups with anything. Even at Bristol style, you'd need someone to monitor word selections that come out versus what people look up and have to have them time synced, so presumably unless the one or two people who have access to this API thing are at the specific event doing this, it would be a non-starter.
In any case, the (Lincoln-style) host is likely to see someone playing on their phone, and the other player would probably anyway in Bristol style.
Plus Apterous has always existed anyway and unless Charlie has something in place (he doesn't) people have been able to use that at CO-events for years.
But this is clearly a really good thing. A free and easy to use word checker that doesn't require a login can be used for people playing Countdown at home. All those spoiler threads where people ask if this word is valid and someone says "Well it's not on Apterous, so probably not but you know caveats etc." won't have to happen. The incredibly edge case of people using it to cheat at CO-events pales into insignificance.
So nice work!
The concern was people using the tool to cheat on apterous!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:17 am
by Gavin Chipper
Oh I see!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:15 pm
by Marc Meakin
JackHurst wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:12 am
How is the word lookup bring done? Is it checking against some list that needs to be maintained by Tom? Also is there any tracking.
This looks great, but I have 2 concerns:
1) Yet another separate source of truth for word check
2) This is the most easy to use, free to use, anonymous to use Countdown letters cheating tool ever. Assuming the tool is available all year round I could see plenty of people using this get away with cheating....
Cheaters , gonna cheat
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:23 pm
by Bradley Horrocks
Great to have this ready to go for Blackpool - cheers Tom!
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:25 am
by Fiona T
Fiona T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:48 am
The possibility of it being used to cheat was at the forefront of our minds - detection has been put in place and you will be caught. Don't do it peeps.
If anyone thought this was a bluff, the system has flagged the first cheater. If it's you, expect your apto-ban shortly.
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 2:15 pm
by Gavin Chipper
So is it linked to games happening on Apterous?
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:19 pm
by Ian Volante
Fiona T wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:25 am
Fiona T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:48 am
The possibility of it being used to cheat was at the forefront of our minds - detection has been put in place and you will be caught. Don't do it peeps.
If anyone thought this was a bluff, the system has flagged the first cheater. If it's you, expect your apto-ban shortly.
Ooh cool, any more info?
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:24 pm
by Fiona T
Ian Volante wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:19 pm
Fiona T wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:25 am
Fiona T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:48 am
The possibility of it being used to cheat was at the forefront of our minds - detection has been put in place and you will be caught. Don't do it peeps.
If anyone thought this was a bluff, the system has flagged the first cheater. If it's you, expect your apto-ban shortly.
Ooh cool, any more info?
They got deactivated.
Re: cohost tool
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:53 pm
by Ian Volante
Fiona T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:24 pm
Ian Volante wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 12:19 pm
Fiona T wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:25 am
If anyone thought this was a bluff, the system has flagged the first cheater. If it's you, expect your apto-ban shortly.
Ooh cool, any more info?
They got deactivated.
I wondered if it was the new player that beat me recently. Seems it probably was! They seemed slightly too good.