No More FA Cup Replays
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:12 pm
From the 1st Round onwards, there will be no more replays in any of the FA Cup matches.
Thoughts on this?
Thoughts on this?
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As a general rule, yes, but the FA Cup differs slightly in the imbalances that are possible between teams, where replays can be a financial boon. If Compton Pauncefoot Rovers were drawn against Arsenal, for example, and somehow held them to a draw, the return leg would be a massive financial windfall for the Paunce. And this isn't just a hypothetical - see also, Stevenage vs Newcastle in the mid 90s.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:45 pm I'm surprised replays have survived this long since penalty shootouts were invented in the 1970s. Surely there are enough headaches involved in organising the FA Cup without giving every match a second "maybe" match, which nobody knows whether it will be played or not until after the first one?
Countdown is decades ahead of its time, having scrapped replays over 30 years ago.
I believe there have been some clubs that have forfeited their home advantage over cash payoutGavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:50 pm Could the same not happen anyway in the non-replay? How do they decide where to have the first match? Couldn't that be at Compton Pauncefoot Rovers' home stadium?
Also the "You are the ref" thread would have a field day at any suggestion that the format might financially encourage a team to go for a draw rather than a win.
Why not play all the games in the early rounds over two legs, then? Resolves the uncertainty issue over whether a game will be played at all, and ensures that when a small team gets drawn against one of the big clubs, they get both a home and away game and half of all the ticket revenue that comes with that.Mark Deeks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:34 pmAs a general rule, yes, but the FA Cup differs slightly in the imbalances that are possible between teams, where replays can be a financial boon. If Compton Pauncefoot Rovers were drawn against Arsenal, for example, and somehow held them to a draw, the return leg would be a massive financial windfall for the Paunce. And this isn't just a hypothetical - see also, Stevenage vs Newcastle in the mid 90s.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 1:45 pm I'm surprised replays have survived this long since penalty shootouts were invented in the 1970s. Surely there are enough headaches involved in organising the FA Cup without giving every match a second "maybe" match, which nobody knows whether it will be played or not until after the first one?
Countdown is decades ahead of its time, having scrapped replays over 30 years ago.
Is it the home fixture or the away fixture that most benefits the smaller team? In the FA Cup, for most of the early rounds, the ticket revenue is split equally between both teams. To my mind, this implies that Compton Pauncefoot Rovers would get far more money from their away match at the massive stadium than the home game at the tiny one.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:50 pm Could the same not happen anyway in the non-replay? How do they decide where to have the first match? Couldn't that be at Compton Pauncefoot Rovers' home stadium?
I think the revenuse is split three ways, one third going to a pool which is shared by all the clubs. Switching venues has been banned for ages, because it enables the biggest clubs to avoid difficult away games. Not just for Compton Pauncefoot Rovers. If the likes of Luton or Bournemouth were worrying about Financial Fair Play a windfall away game at Manchester United might be a godsend.Graeme Cole wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:06 pmIs it the home fixture or the away fixture that most benefits the smaller team? In the FA Cup, for most of the early rounds, the ticket revenue is split equally between both teams. To my mind, this implies that Compton Pauncefoot Rovers would get far more money from their away match at the massive stadium than the home game at the tiny one.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:50 pm Could the same not happen anyway in the non-replay? How do they decide where to have the first match? Couldn't that be at Compton Pauncefoot Rovers' home stadium?
Second replays were always at a neutral venue.Ian Volante wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:59 am I'm still pissed off that they got rid of multiple replays. Trying and failing to remember whether a second replay was played at a neutral venue or not. I know it was in the Rugby League Cup.
The crucial conundrum of footballPaul Worsley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:53 pmSecond replays were always at a neutral venue.Ian Volante wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:59 am I'm still pissed off that they got rid of multiple replays. Trying and failing to remember whether a second replay was played at a neutral venue or not. I know it was in the Rugby League Cup.
Settling the tie on the day is actually advantageous to the lower placed teams, as the penalty shoot out is always a lottery. Under the new system I would suggest that it will be more likely that a League 2 or non-league side will progress to Round 3, when the Premiership clubs come in.
I'm not saying I prefer the new proposals. It's just something to consider.
I think the record number of FA Cup replays was 6 in the early 70sIan Volante wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:59 am I'm still pissed off that they got rid of multiple replays. Trying and failing to remember whether a second replay was played at a neutral venue or not. I know it was in the Rugby League Cup.
Paul Worsley wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:53 pmSecond replays were always at a neutral venue.Ian Volante wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:59 am I'm still pissed off that they got rid of multiple replays. Trying and failing to remember whether a second replay was played at a neutral venue or not. I know it was in the Rugby League Cup.
Settling the tie on the day is actually advantageous to the lower placed teams, as the penalty shoot out is always a lottery. Under the new system I would suggest that it will be more likely that a League 2 or non-league side will progress to Round 3, when the Premiership clubs come in.
I'm not saying I prefer the new proposals. It's just something to consider.
I think what is wrong is that smaller clubs suffer as
only elite clubs ie those in European competitions will benefit
I remember well that there was a time when either club could elect that the venue was decided by a coin toss.