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Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pm
by Callum Todd
~~~ The below information (barring entrant list) is all available on the FOCAL webpage for this event. A Facebook event page will be created after the FOCAL MK Open and linked here once it exists ~~~

FOCAL is returning to Leeds for the first time in five years! And what’s more, it will the first ever non-standard co:event as instead of Countdown we will be playing Goatdown!

What is Goatdown you ask?! Fear not, all will be explained below. But first, the formalities:

When: Saturday 15th April 2023
Where: Cardigan Community Centre, 145-149 Cardigan Rd, Burley, Leeds LS6 1LJ (map)
Presented by: Callum Todd
Format: ‘Lincoln style’, each player will play six GZD 9-rounder games. Plus it’s Goatdown! More info below
Admission: £15 per person, payable here (please select ‘Friends and Family’)
Start: 10:00am doors for a 11am start, please arrive by 10:45am
Finished by: 17:45 (we must leave the room by 18:00)
Wheelchair accessible?: Yes.

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So what the hell is Goatdown?!

Goatdown is the oldest and most popular non-standard variant of Countdown. The rules can be found on Apterous (where you can also play Goatdown if you’re a paid subscriber!) or on the Countdown wiki. Or, if those descriptions were too coherent for you, I’ll try explain it below!

You may also wish to familiarise yourself with Goatdown by watching the very high standard of it played out in a special ZoomDown tournament, beginning in this episode.

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Screenshot of Goatdown on Apterous: the player can choose the 9th letter.

Essentially, Goatdown is Countdown except the player picking the letters can choose exactly which letter they would like for the 9th letter. So the first eight letters are chosen as normal (vowel or consonant) but for the ninth letter the player picking that round’s letters chooses exactly which letter they would like. So in the above screenshot, for example, a pick of K, R, S, or T would make a nine-letter word available!

For conundrums, the player is shown only eight letters instead of nine. Their task is to find the NINE letter word that uses those eight letters (there will only be one possible nine-letter word from those eight letters). If nobody does that within the 30 seconds, the ninth letter will be revealed and the players will have a further 15 seconds to solve the now normal conundrum. Doing so will however only grant 7 points rather than the 10 that would be awarded for solving the conundrum from only the first eight letters.

Numbers are unchanged, although that won’t matter for us (see format notes below).

If you’re still not sure how it works, the best thing to do is watch the GoatZoomDown specials linked above! That should make things clear.

How will Goatdown work at a co:event?

So the first big piece of information to get out of the way is that in order to maximise the Goatiness of the gameplay, there will be NO numbers rounds played at all at Goat:Leeds 2023. The 9 Rounder games will consist of eight letters rounds followed by a goatundrum. This was the format used on the aforementioned GoatZoomDown specials and it was well received there so we think it will work best for the in-person event.

As for displaying the final letter, players will be offered several ways of doing so and they may choose between them on their tables which method they feel most comfortable with. They may use a card from a face-up deck of 26 cards (one of each letter), write on a blank card, or any other method they can think of that is to the satisfaction of all three people on the table.

The only rule that will be strictly enforced with regards to picking rounds will be the 6-second time limit on picking the 9th letter. This is an integral rule of Goatdown and must be respected in person as it is online. The host will perform a single 6-5-4-3-2-1 countdown and if no pick is made, the default pick will be the letter S.

For Goatundrums, the host will swap the 8 letter scramble out for the 9 letter scramble on 30 seconds if required. Other options will be made available and explained if people would prefer to do it differently.

Essentially players will be given several options of how to manage the technicalities of playing Goatdown with physical letters cards, and trusted to work out between them which options works best for the players on their table.

How to book

Simply send £15 to host Callum at this link to secure your entry. Or, for a limited time until the 2022 MK Open, you can get discounted entry by signing up for both events at once! £22 will get you entry to both events, a total saving of £3. For those who have already signed up to the MK Open, you can enter Goat:Leeds 2023 for £12 so long as you submit your entry before the 25th November 2022

If you are not able to use PayPal, please contact callum@focalcountdown.co.uk to arrange alternate payment.

Getting to the venue

To arrive by train, the venue is a short taxi ride or around a 35-minute walk from the main Leeds train station. Alternatively you may be able to get a train from Leeds station to Burley Park, which is just around the corner from the venue. There may also be buses available but these timetables have been shakenly up a lot recently at the time of writing, so check timetables closer to the day of the event.

For drivers, there is a very small car park on site but it only has a few spaces so don’t count on getting one. Street parking nearby is mostly unrestricted though so you should be able to find a spot.

On your way to the venue, why not take in the sights of the ITV Yorkshire studios just at the bottom of the road? This building was the original home of Countdown.

Accommodation

There are many hotels in Leeds city centre, the cheapest of which are likely to be the Vicar Lane Travelodge and the Ibis Budget. There’s also a Premier Inn and Holiday Inn Express on Kirkstall Road just round the corner. Alternately there’s plenty of nice small hotels and BnBs in Headingley.

Refreshments

Tea, coffee, water, juice, and some small snacks will be available at the venue free of charge. For something more substantial during the lunch break, there are numerous shops and food outlets within a short walk of the venue.

Goat theme

There will be a strong hirsine theme at the event. Attendees are encouraged to contribute in whatever way they think appropriate!

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Any questions, feel free to get in touch with hello@focalcountdown.co.uk. I look forward to seeing you partake in the first ever Goatdown co:event!

Attending or organising a FOCAL event is subject to the FOCAL Code of Conduct.

Confirmed entrants (20)
Ben Wilson
Bradley Horrocks
Tom Carey
MSR
James Robinson
Phil Stanton
George Armstrong
Rob Foster
Euan Crabb
Chris Marshall
Adam Beach
Adam Latchford
Coral Heath
Callum Todd
Dan Byrom
Andy Platt
Tim Hebbes
Stewart Gordon
Jack Worsley
Sam C-L

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:21 pm
by James Robinson
Callum Todd wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pmHow to book

Simply send £15 to host Callum at this link to secure your entry. Or, for a limited time until the 2022 MK Open, you can get discounted entry by signing up for both events at once! £22 will get you entry to both events, a total saving of £3. For those who have already signed up to the MK Open, you can enter Goat:Leeds 2023 for £12 so long as you submit your entry before the 25th November 2022
What if you’re in the Finals, as opposed to the Open? Does the £12 offer count to those people too…??

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:40 pm
by Callum Todd
James Robinson wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:21 pm
Callum Todd wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:40 pmHow to book

Simply send £15 to host Callum at this link to secure your entry. Or, for a limited time until the 2022 MK Open, you can get discounted entry by signing up for both events at once! £22 will get you entry to both events, a total saving of £3. For those who have already signed up to the MK Open, you can enter Goat:Leeds 2023 for £12 so long as you submit your entry before the 25th November 2022
What if you’re in the Finals, as opposed to the Open? Does the £12 offer count to those people too…??
Yes, you get the offer too, so long as you sign up before MK!

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:56 am
by Mikey Spikey
On round 4 and 8 you could do it like ZD numbers by allowing them to choose hypergoat speedboat etc

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:56 am
by Mikey Spikey
On round 4 and 8 you could do it like ZD numbers by allowing them to choose hypergoat speedboat etc

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 6:18 pm
by Fiona T
By popular demand, there's now a fb event page

https://www.facebook.com/events/147625414912741

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:55 pm
by Thomas Carey
Parkrun wise I assume we'd be doing Woodhouse Moor? It's very close to the venue and having been there a lot (but not to run) I can confirm it's a nice park. The Library pub at one of the corners (that I was in 18 hours ago) is decent too, but maybe not at 9am :D Open to other suggestions, but it's by far the closest to the venue.

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:31 pm
by Fiona T
Thomas Carey wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:55 pm Parkrun wise I assume we'd be doing Woodhouse Moor? It's very close to the venue and having been there a lot (but not to run) I can confirm it's a nice park. The Library pub at one of the corners (that I was in 18 hours ago) is decent too, but maybe not at 9am :D Open to other suggestions, but it's by far the closest to the venue.
Yep - that's the plan! Strava event here https://www.strava.com/clubs/964003/gro ... ts/1354614

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:38 pm
by Fiona T
I've contacted the restaurant George suggested and they can accommodate us in the main restaurant, but we need to pay a deposit and will need to pre-order. Please can you let me know asap if you definitely want to go for dinner on Saturday. I need to confirm numbers after the weekend.

The alternative is winging it on the night

https://the-lostandfound.co.uk/menus/28 ... n_menu.pdf

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:57 pm
by Thomas Carey
Fiona T wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:38 pm I've contacted the restaurant George suggested and they can accommodate us in the main restaurant, but we need to pay a deposit and will need to pre-order. Please can you let me know asap if you definitely want to go for dinner on Saturday. I need to confirm numbers after the weekend.

The alternative is winging it on the night

https://the-lostandfound.co.uk/menus/28 ... n_menu.pdf
In if we end up doing it. They have a goat's cheese pizza, so in keeping with the theme I'm obviously getting that.

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:10 am
by Dan Byrom
I'm in for food

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:51 am
by Fiona T
Lovely - have messaged the attendees I haven't heard from, except Tim - I don't have contact details for him, so if anyone does, please can you check if he wants to stay for food?

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:17 am
by Fiona T
Linky to live broadcast - https://greem.co.uk/co/GoatLeeds

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:17 am
by Fiona T
Pre-event parkrun attended by Maus, Fiona, Dan and Chris. Sam spectated.

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:12 am
by Gavin Chipper
What was Sam's excuse?

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:25 pm
by Fiona T
Gavin Chipper wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:12 am What was Sam's excuse?
Turned up with kit to run. No changing facilities/toilets. :(

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:30 pm
by Fiona T
Just looked at the results - surprised to see it's my second run here. Turns out I ran it in 2017 - zero recollection of it!

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:31 pm
by Fiona T
Goat:Leeds 2023

STANDINGS

Players are ranked by number of wins then total points scored.


P W Pts
1 Rob Foster 8 8 701 (won final)
2 Callum Todd 8 7 601 (lost final)
3 Jack Worsley 8 6 649
4 Bradley Horrocks 8 6 495
5 Tim Hebbes 8 5 530
6 Sam Cappleman-Lynes 8 5 526
7 Tom Carey 8 5 459
8 Adam Latchford 8 4 498
9 Dan Byrom 8 4 491
10 Ben Wilson 8 4 486
11 Matty Artell 8 4 415
12 MSR 8 4 356
13 James Robinson 8 3 535
14 George Armstrong 8 3 534
15 Andy Platt 8 3 482
16 Phil Stanton 8 3 386
17 Chris Marshall 8 3 334
18 Coral Heath 8 3 310
19 Adam Beach 8 2 375
20 Stewart Gordon 8 2 320
21 Euan Crabb 8 0 261


RESULTS

Round 1

Table 1
Ben Wilson 73 - 21 Euan Crabb
Euan Crabb 40 - 47 Chris Marshall
Chris Marshall 36 - 54 Ben Wilson

Table 2
Tim Hebbes 75 - 40 Coral Heath
Coral Heath 34 - 74 Dan Byrom
Dan Byrom 69 -*79 Tim Hebbes

Table 3
Bradley Horrocks 50 - 59 Callum Todd
Callum Todd 62 - 53 Sam Cappleman-Lynes
Sam Cappleman-Lynes 42 - 35 Bradley Horrocks

Table 4
James Robinson 37 - 54 George Armstrong
George Armstrong 58 - 75 Adam Latchford
Adam Latchford 95 - 87 James Robinson

Table 5
MSR 29 - 70 Rob Foster
Rob Foster 86 - 23 Stewart Gordon
Stewart Gordon 54 - 55 MSR

Table 6
Andy Platt 70 - 41 Phil Stanton
Phil Stanton 28 - 71 Tom Carey
Tom Carey 68 - 40 Andy Platt

Table 7
Jack Worsley 102 - 26 Matty Artell
Matty Artell 50 - 42 Adam Beach
Adam Beach 42 - 77 Jack Worsley

Round 2

Table 1
Adam Latchford 55 - 80 Rob Foster
Rob Foster 101 - 73 Jack Worsley
Jack Worsley 90*- 80 Adam Latchford

Table 2
Tom Carey 43 - 65 Ben Wilson
Ben Wilson 76 - 61 Tim Hebbes
Tim Hebbes 52 - 48 Tom Carey

Table 3
Dan Byrom 62 - 51 George Armstrong
George Armstrong 78 - 101 Callum Todd
Callum Todd 53 - 47 Dan Byrom

Table 4
Sam Cappleman-Lynes 59 - 28 MSR
MSR 32 - 53 Andy Platt
Andy Platt 51 - 97 Sam Cappleman-Lynes

Table 5
Matty Artell 57 - 60 James Robinson
James Robinson 63 - 27 Chris Marshall
Chris Marshall 24 - 65 Matty Artell

Table 6
Adam Beach 40 - 51 Stewart Gordon
Stewart Gordon 30 - 91 Bradley Horrocks
Bradley Horrocks 71 - 31 Adam Beach

Table 7
Phil Stanton 56 - 20 Euan Crabb
Euan Crabb 35 - 58 Coral Heath
Coral Heath 58 - 51 Phil Stanton

Round 3

Table 1
Callum Todd 92 - 59 Ben Wilson
Ben Wilson 41 - 103 Rob Foster
Rob Foster 100 - 72 Callum Todd

Table 2
Tim Hebbes 50 - 68 Sam Cappleman-Lynes
Sam Cappleman-Lynes 63 - 78 Jack Worsley
Jack Worsley 88 - 70 Tim Hebbes

Table 3
Dan Byrom 59 - 75 Tom Carey
Tom Carey 42 - 43 Adam Latchford
Adam Latchford 35 - 58 Dan Byrom

Table 4
Bradley Horrocks 60 - 54 Andy Platt
Andy Platt 75 - 90 James Robinson
James Robinson 64 - 74 Bradley Horrocks

Table 5
Coral Heath 9 - 67 George Armstrong
George Armstrong 81 - 57 Matty Artell
Matty Artell 38 - 52 Coral Heath

Table 6
Stewart Gordon 37 - 48 Chris Marshall
Chris Marshall 48 - 57 Phil Stanton
Phil Stanton 70 - 42 Stewart Gordon

Table 7
Adam Beach 68 - 58 Euan Crabb
Euan Crabb 25 - 57 MSR
MSR 51 - 37 Adam Beach

Round 4

Table 1
Callum Todd 84 - 77 James Robinson
James Robinson 57 - 83 Jack Worsley
Jack Worsley 68 - 78 Callum Todd

Table 2
Sam Cappleman-Lynes 81 - 76 George Armstrong
George Armstrong 69 - 79 Rob Foster
Rob Foster 82 - 63 Sam Cappleman-Lynes

Table 3
Ben Wilson 51 - 80 Dan Byrom
Dan Byrom 42 - 47 Bradley Horrocks
Bradley Horrocks 77*- 67 Ben Wilson

Table 4
Tim Hebbes 80 - 53 Phil Stanton
Phil Stanton 30 - 57 Adam Latchford
Adam Latchford 58 - 73 Tim Hebbes

Table 5
MSR 45 - 28 Coral Heath
Coral Heath 31 - 49 Tom Carey
Tom Carey 63 - 59 MSR

Table 6
Chris Marshall 46 - 45 Adam Beach
Adam Beach 80*- 70 Andy Platt
Andy Platt 69 - 58 Chris Marshall

Table 7
Stewart Gordon 53 - 32 Euan Crabb
Euan Crabb 30 - 59 Matty Artell
Matty Artell 63 - 30 Stewart Gordon

Final
Rob Foster 93 - 85 Callum Todd

Re: Goat:Leeds 2023, Saturday 15th April 2023

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:54 pm
by Callum Todd
Thank you Fiona for posting the results, and a big thank you for hosting and doing all the atropine work on the day!

Congratulations Rob on another event win sealed with another 9 great performances.

George won the Yorkshire T award for picking the letter T most often, and there was a great competition for the Best Pick of the day prize. Some highlights were:

Matty picking K for QUACKERY in Round 1 vs Beachy
Jack picking H for MAHSEER, also in Round 1 vs Beachy
Ben picking Y for STAIRWAYS in Round 1 vs Euan
Maus picking Y for OUTYELLED in Round 2 vs Tim
Bra picking H for SHADOWIER in Round 2 vs Beachy (poor Beachy did get hit with a lot of the best plays)
Dan picking P for TYPESETS in Round 3 vs Adam

But two names just kept popping up on the Best Picks shortlist:

The debutant Sam had some great picks, including S for SISSS, H for ECHIURIDS, and I for OLIGURIA
And Adam L sealed the prize with many outstanding picks, in particular some lovely 9s: SCUNGILLI, APOCRYPHA, and CUCUMELON

The GoatDown experiment was a success. MSR is doing some Friday Night goat as a precursor to Co:Brum in August so go check that out elsewhere on this forum. And hopefully we'll see more Goat events in future years now it's been proven that it can be done.

There was also a FOCAL event oversea in Sligo on Saturday that also attracted 21 entrants, so congratulations to Jessamine for an event well run, and to Hazel for securing her third FOCAL event win.

Updated FOCAL 2023 standings can be found on the FOCAL website