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Michael Wallace wrote:Maybe someone already posted this, I had a quick look but apologies if it wasn't thorough enough.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Michael Wallace wrote:Maybe someone already posted this, I had a quick look but apologies if it wasn't thorough enough.

Haha amazing. I got 51. Anyone beat that?

Michael Wallace wrote:

Charlie Reams wrote:

Michael Wallace wrote:Maybe someone already posted this, I had a quick look but apologies if it wasn't thorough enough.

Haha amazing. I got 51. Anyone beat that?

Dunno, I can't read French.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Michael Wallace wrote:Maybe someone already posted this, I had a quick look but apologies if it wasn't thorough enough.

Haha amazing. I got 51. Anyone beat that?

Charlie Reams wrote:My entire office has now been playing this all afternoon. Milos got 79 so 80+ is definitely doable.

Andy Wilson wrote:had a quick go but just couldn't handle it

Craig Beevers wrote:Thought some of you lot might like this.

http://www.lfc-endofseasonparty.com/

Craig Beevers wrote:Keep expecting the other teams around Liverpool to fall apart and obligingly let them cruise to Champions League qualification. But Liverpool keep dropping points regardless. Had their main players and still lost. Surely even Liverpool fans must be getting sick of Rafa the clueless by now.

Richard Brittain wrote:Liverpool have had a shocking season so far, no-one can disguise that. They'll still definitely finish in the top 4 though. Anyone who watched the Arsenal game saw Liverpool tear apart Arsenal in the first half - they were totally dominant. At the moment they're very weak defensively. Arsenal's first real break of the game came down the right wing and Johnson somehow put the ball in the back of his own net - it was the story of their season so far. They were unlucky in this game, but in some games they have played shit. As Arsene Wenger said, "They are a very good side but at the moment things are not going for them. I still believe Liverpool have a good team who can beat anyone in the league," which is definitely true. Liverpool have been hit hard by the loss of Alonso, but Gerrard and Carragher have been playing very poorly and that's the biggest blow for them. Benitez has to be for blame, however, for failing to fill his squad with a better second striker than David Ngog, and Lucas, both of whom are nowhere near the required standard. However, they will still easily finish in the top 4 this year.

Richard Brittain wrote:They'll still definitely finish in the top 4 though.

Richard Brittain wrote:However, they will still easily finish in the top 4 this year.

Richard Brittain wrote:Clearly, Rafa Benitez has been reading C4C.

Richard Brittain wrote:They'll still definitely finish in the top 4 though.

Richard Brittain wrote:However, they will still easily finish in the top 4 this year.

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says he "guarantees" that they will finish in the top four.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Richard Brittain wrote:Clearly, Rafa Benitez has been reading C4C.

Richard Brittain wrote:They'll still definitely finish in the top 4 though.

Richard Brittain wrote:However, they will still easily finish in the top 4 this year.

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez says he "guarantees" that they will finish in the top four.

Good prediction, sir. Presumably this is Benitez's gamble to avoid being sacked until the end of the season. We'll see if it pays off.

Richard Brittain wrote:Charlie - No.. Rafa Benitez actually read this thread and made his guarantee on the basis of my post. Jeff Stelling texted me to say so.

Richard Brittain wrote:Arsenal again played shockingly bad, and were extremely lucky to avoid defeat. They've been really lucky this season so far. I can easily see Liverpool overhauling them. Arsenal will probably finish outside the top 4.

Richard Brittain wrote:Arsenal again played shockingly bad, and were extremely lucky to avoid defeat. They've been really lucky this season so far. I can easily see Liverpool overhauling them. Arsenal will probably finish outside the top 4.

Matt Morrison wrote:That's what Charlie meant. It's a gamble, but Benitez knows if he bandies about your weighty name in a meeting, a silent hubbub of support is likely to instantly descend over the boardroom for at least the time being.

Marc Meakin wrote:Some great match ups for the champions league knock out phase.
Who did Liverpool get
Sorry Matt.

Marc Meakin wrote:Who did Liverpool get
Sorry Matt.

Matt Morrison wrote:

Marc Meakin wrote:Who did Liverpool get
Sorry Matt.

Unirea Urziceni. No need to be sorry, good draw.

Marc Meakin wrote:

Matt Morrison wrote:

Marc Meakin wrote:Who did Liverpool get
Sorry Matt.

Unirea Urziceni. No need to be sorry, good draw.

They were unlucky to get knocked out the Champions league though
And there is a Chelsea connection as Unirea Urziceni are managed by Dan Pet Rescue.

Richard Brittain wrote:Alright, Beevers is right. Benitez is shit, he has to go. Reina is probably the worst keeper in the league right now; He was balding at age 23 so there should have been alarm bells ringing when we signed him. He's washed out at age 27. Lucas isn't good enough, Glen Johnson doesn't look interested and definitely doesn't look worth £16 mill. Carragher's lost any pace he had, Kuyt never had any pace, and Benayoun is never going to stop dribbling. The Rafalution is over.

Richard Brittain wrote:it's a no brainer.

Richard Brittain wrote:Overrated
Cesc Fabregas - Has no pace, can't tackle, and generally seems to have an evil aura surrounding him. Has quite good ball control, but is nowhere near being a world class player.
Agree that he can't tackle but he can sit and control a game and pull out some excellent passes. Players like Fabregas tend to look better than they are because the things they DO do well tend to be extravagant, good-looking things like fantastic through balls, that can easily cover up the holes in their all round game.

Wayne Rooney - Has an awkward, unathletic physique. Made his name by scoring spectacular long range strikes at Euro 2004. Doesn't do that anymore, mostly scores tap-ins these days. Not particularly different to Dirk Kuyt. Decent player but not a world beater.
Fantastic talent, but a very poor season this year. You might be on to something if you're suggesting we've already seen the best of him. Which is technically a shame if you consider how important he could be for England, but overall a Good Thing as he plays for United. Probably got too much praise too young, and his reliance on natural talent might be catching up with him.

'Pepe' Reina - Poor shot stopper. Lacks physical presence, calmness and authority which top keepers should have.
Another player not having a good season. Seems to make some amazing saves and some utter clangers every year, but agree the balance has been less attractive this term. Still think he's a great keeper though, top 3 in the Premiership for me.

Emmanuel Adebayor - A little bit overrated. Mostly scored simple tap-ins at Arsenal. Darren Bent is much better.
Another huge talent whose football suffers from his attitude, not dissimilar to Rooney probably. Disagree that Bent is better, but he is more consistent.

Patrick Vieira - Was never anything more than an aggressive thug.
Definitely overrated. Poor man's Mascherano, though you could just as easily call Mascherano an aggressive thug on the surface.

Rio Ferdinand - Massively overrated central defender. Has a lot less pace than people make out. Prone to losing concentration in crucial moments.
Hugely overrated. Hugely. Couldn't agree more. Vidic hasn't been fantastic recently, but still outshines Ferdinand every time.

Underrated

Lee Bowyer - Quality player
Hmm. Good but only for a small team, like Dempsey or something? Can't say I've seen much Birmingham football this year, not even highlights, so don't consider myself particularly qualified to deconstruct his game.

Gary Neville - Has been a superb right-back for the last 10 or so years.
Cunt.

Richard Dunne - Every bit as good a central defender as John Terry.
Agreed. I thought it was absolutely nuts when Man City let him go, and surprise surprise their defence has been a shambles since. Who we should have signed instead of Kyrgiakos.

Damien Duff - Is showing again his true class at Fulham. Was a big part of Chelsea's early title success under Mourinho.
Yeah, probably was underrated for his contribution to Chelsea. Not sure he could perform for a bigger club now though, Fulham is a perfect match for him.

David Beckham - Suddenly seems to have become hated by the media in recent years, but was always an excellent player.
Tough one. He plays abroad, I think that's a huge part of the media relationship - another example would be Michael Owen when he was at Madrid, he went from being one of the most talked about players to being barely mentioned, although I'd disagree that equates to being 'hated' by the media, and I think Beckham in particular is still revered when spoken about. In fact, I think he's been overrated for much of his career, his excellent balls have been his only saviour, and with that being has unique selling point, he only fits into certain types of team. He would have been world class if he could take on a defender.

Stephen Hunt - Is one of best left midfielders in the Prem. An excellent acquisition by Hull.
Yeah, very good indeed. Great passion, great technical awareness, I can just about agree with the 'one of the best on the left' but is that partly down to a lack of talent in that position in the Premiership?

Stewart Downing - Another quality left midfielder, unfairly criticised by some.
Don't really agree. Average. Poor decision-making I reckon, inconsistent. One of the few players we've been strongly linked with in the past that I've been happy not to get hold of, not that we found a better alternative obviously.

Xabi Alonso - Fantastic central midfielder, finally being fully appreciated now it is clear what he did for Liverpool.
Undoubtedly one of the best midfielders of his type in the world, I have no idea how people didn't realise how important he was for us until he left. I almost cried the day he went.

Matt Morrison wrote: It really is time for Rafa to go, and surely it'd be sensible to do it soon, in plenty of time before next season.

Craig Beevers wrote:Christ Liverpool just got outplayed for large periods by Reading. I know Torres didn't get out of second gear, probably his mind is on what club he's going to move to in the summer, but wow. Awful performance.

Craig Beevers wrote:Very dull day of FA Cup results generally.

Oh and do hope Bolton get relegated, pretty ludicrous the way Megson was treated. Also think Hughes did a pretty decent job considering.

Jon O'Neill wrote:

Craig Beevers wrote:Christ Liverpool just got outplayed for large periods by Reading. I know Torres didn't get out of second gear, probably his mind is on what club he's going to move to in the summer, but wow. Awful performance.

Well, at least they didn't lose. At home. To a League One side. Even worse performance.