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Apparently the only way!Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:10 pm Just after the time but 50 x (10 + 9) - 75 + 8 x 8 = 939
I doubt it would be replayed. There's always a chance that your opponent hasn't got a valid word of the length they declare. Whether it's because their word doesn't exist or they've miscounted the letters is neither here nor there.Philip Wilson wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:33 am Not sure about this but in round 1 I had 'celeries' as a risky 8 - restaurant rule - and a safe 6. Player 1 declares a 7 so I risk my 8. Player 1 has misdeclared. If I'd known I would have stuck with my 6. If celeries is disallowed, would the round be replayed, as I lose due to a foul by my opponent. Thanks.
Makes sense, thanks for that. I guess the score would still be 0-0 (if disallowed) so effectively we're starting again anyway. Just wondered really. Wouldn't feel comfortable appealing such a thing, so not disagreeing, lol.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:57 amI doubt it would be replayed. There's always a chance that your opponent hasn't got a valid word of the length they declare. Whether it's because their word doesn't exist or they've miscounted the letters is neither here nor there.Philip Wilson wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:33 am Not sure about this but in round 1 I had 'celeries' as a risky 8 - restaurant rule - and a safe 6. Player 1 declares a 7 so I risk my 8. Player 1 has misdeclared. If I'd known I would have stuck with my 6. If celeries is disallowed, would the round be replayed, as I lose due to a foul by my opponent. Thanks.
Edit - Though if you disagree, it might be worth a discussion in the You Are the Ref thread.
No, it wouldn't be replayed. Part of the tactics of the game I think!Philip Wilson wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:33 am Not sure about this but in round 1 I had 'celeries' as a risky 8 - restaurant rule - and a safe 6. Player 1 declares a 7 so I risk my 8. Player 1 has misdeclared. If I'd known I would have stuck with my 6. If celeries is disallowed, would the round be replayed, as I lose due to a foul by my opponent. Thanks.
Yeah that's fair. But in this case it negates any advantage a contestant with a risky word might have in declaring second.Fiona T wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 12:46 pmNo, it wouldn't be replayed. Part of the tactics of the game I think!Philip Wilson wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 11:33 am Not sure about this but in round 1 I had 'celeries' as a risky 8 - restaurant rule - and a safe 6. Player 1 declares a 7 so I risk my 8. Player 1 has misdeclared. If I'd known I would have stuck with my 6. If celeries is disallowed, would the round be replayed, as I lose due to a foul by my opponent. Thanks.
Guess so. Could be a snooker foul though. They're accidental - usually!Callum Todd wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 2:29 pm Yeah, it's not a "foul" it's a mistake. Being able to take advantage of your opponent's mistakes is an important part of pretty much any competitive endeavour and Countdown is no different in this respect. You're not entitled to automatically benefit every time your opponent makes a mistake; you have to earn it!
But yeah, CELERIES should be valid if the restaurant rule is a thing (genuinely not sure if it is).
I wouldn'tPhilip A wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 9:07 pm While Countdown does not have a rigorous rule set, they try their best to accept inflections of words that are sensible.
The “restaurant rule” is based around requesting a portion or unit of something.
Some foods which are mass nouns can take a plural on Countdown but not all of them.
If a food is a restaurant dish in its own right, then it certainly can be served in a portion or unit. You may ask the waiter/waitress, “I would like two tiramisus, please,” for example – hence TIRAMISUS is perfectly valid (it can be an uncountable noun or a countable noun).
Googling gives an article regarding celery as a restaurant item pre-1950: https://slicesofbluesky.com/celery-restaurant-menus/. The definition in ODO Premium and Lexico also states that celery itself can be a salad https://www.lexico.com/definition/celery, which restaurants do also sell.
As well as a portion of celery, you can also use the word ‘celeries’ when referring to different varieties of celery. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/celeries
Meats such as VENISON and MUTTON seem not to take a plural, and we also understand that mass nouns which are cheeses (e.g. RICOTTA) are also not countable.
It is a woolly practice but in short, they will go for what is reasonable. From my view, I would be happy to allow CELERIES.
I'd allow venisons and muttons tho! Far more likely to order "two roast venisons" than "two celeries" The context I was thinking about was ordering sandwiches in a restaurant/pub -Fiona T wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:04 pmI wouldn'tPhilip A wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 9:07 pm While Countdown does not have a rigorous rule set, they try their best to accept inflections of words that are sensible.
The “restaurant rule” is based around requesting a portion or unit of something.
Some foods which are mass nouns can take a plural on Countdown but not all of them.
If a food is a restaurant dish in its own right, then it certainly can be served in a portion or unit. You may ask the waiter/waitress, “I would like two tiramisus, please,” for example – hence TIRAMISUS is perfectly valid (it can be an uncountable noun or a countable noun).
Googling gives an article regarding celery as a restaurant item pre-1950: https://slicesofbluesky.com/celery-restaurant-menus/. The definition in ODO Premium and Lexico also states that celery itself can be a salad https://www.lexico.com/definition/celery, which restaurants do also sell.
As well as a portion of celery, you can also use the word ‘celeries’ when referring to different varieties of celery. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/celeries
Meats such as VENISON and MUTTON seem not to take a plural, and we also understand that mass nouns which are cheeses (e.g. RICOTTA) are also not countable.
It is a woolly practice but in short, they will go for what is reasonable. From my view, I would be happy to allow CELERIES.
Mathematically that would be "two (cream cheese and celery)s pleasePhilip Wilson wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 10:43 amThe context I was thinking about was ordering sandwiches in a restaurant/pub -Fiona T wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 10:04 pmI wouldn'tPhilip A wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 9:07 pm While Countdown does not have a rigorous rule set, they try their best to accept inflections of words that are sensible.
The “restaurant rule” is based around requesting a portion or unit of something.
Some foods which are mass nouns can take a plural on Countdown but not all of them.
If a food is a restaurant dish in its own right, then it certainly can be served in a portion or unit. You may ask the waiter/waitress, “I would like two tiramisus, please,” for example – hence TIRAMISUS is perfectly valid (it can be an uncountable noun or a countable noun).
Googling gives an article regarding celery as a restaurant item pre-1950: https://slicesofbluesky.com/celery-restaurant-menus/. The definition in ODO Premium and Lexico also states that celery itself can be a salad https://www.lexico.com/definition/celery, which restaurants do also sell.
As well as a portion of celery, you can also use the word ‘celeries’ when referring to different varieties of celery. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/celeries
Meats such as VENISON and MUTTON seem not to take a plural, and we also understand that mass nouns which are cheeses (e.g. RICOTTA) are also not countable.
It is a woolly practice but in short, they will go for what is reasonable. From my view, I would be happy to allow CELERIES.
"Do you have any salad sandwiches?"
"We have cream cheese and celery and carrot and celery"
"Thanks. We'll have two cream cheese and celeries please."
(Hungry now!)