Re: Cheating: What it is, and why you shouldn't do it
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:38 pm
What's your beef?Michael Wallace wrote:(also - *ten*?)
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What's your beef?Michael Wallace wrote:(also - *ten*?)
Is beef a type of cock? I'm really confused now.Phil Reynolds wrote:What's your beef?Michael Wallace wrote:(also - *ten*?)
There were 37 types the last time I counted, but only ten of them were relevant to my post.Michael Wallace wrote:I was going to ask you to name 10 different types of cock
Looks legit to me. He's played a lot of games so chances are he'd pick up common obscurities like SARCOID and INTRADOS, and VETTO was probably just a guess because you had a 5, or maybe just a typo.Matt Morrison wrote:Samir Pilica - safe?
I fail to see how someone with a 900 rating who thinks VETO is spelt with two Ts can then go and find words like SARCOID and INTRADOS
Or coprophilia.Ben Hunter wrote:INTRADOS is a cheeky RATIONS stem, it's one of those cool words you just remember straight away, like AMNIOTES.
Should I be concerned that you seem to be mentioning coprophilia more and more these days?D Eadie wrote:
Or coprophilia.
Kirk Bevins wrote:Should I be concerned that you seem to be mentioning coprophilia more and more these days?D Eadie wrote:
Or coprophilia.
Thankyou for this, Martin. I apologise.Martin_May wrote:I have explained to Kirk what has happened, and he chose not to believe me. For anyone unsure as to what happened, apparently "I" challenged Kirk to a game, and then quit when I was 52-0 behind.
My argument to this was that I, Martin May, was not actually playing. I gave control to my pestering 7 year old cousin, and set her up with some practice games against Supee Juachan and Ryan Adams. I came back to the computer to see how she was getting on, to find out that she had engaged in an argument with pretty much everyone, calling Kirk "a wimp". I immediately told her in no uncertain terms to fuck off (obviously I didn't actually say that). I then tried to explain to everyone what had happened, but to no immediate avail.
Kirk then called me a liar, which I took great offense to. Why would I need to play 5 round practice games with people rated lower than me? And if I was to play Kirk, which would not be a wise choice considering the great skill difference between us, I would NOT quit. If you do not believe me, check my games. I have lost on several occasions, some of which were very heavy defeats. I have never quit any game.
I hope this goes some way to clearing this up. I don't blame your reaction Kirk, I just didn't appreciate being called a liar.
Martin
Except that would require a fundamental change to human nature. Obviously everyone trusts people they've known for a long time more than some guy they just encountered on a website. Yes, Kirk got it wrong this time, and he apologised. What more do you want?Daniel Dodgson wrote:There does seem to be a bit of hostility from some of the "Countdown clique" to newer members. It really needs to stop.
I didn't see all of this situation develop but 'Martin' kept repeating in chat 'Challenge me..... Challenge me.....please..... somebody challenge me..... or are you a wimp?' (Challenge wasn't spelled correctly)Martin_May wrote: ....I, Martin May, was not actually playing. I gave control to my pestering 7 year old cousin, and set her up with some practice games against Supee Juachan and Ryan Adams. I came back to the computer to see how she was getting on, to find out that she had engaged in an argument with pretty much everyone, calling Kirk "a wimp". I immediately told her in no uncertain terms to fuck off (obviously I didn't actually say that). I then tried to explain to everyone what had happened, but to no immediate avail.
Kirk then called me a liar, which I took great offense to. Why would I need to play 5 round practice games with people rated lower than me?......
Martin
OK thanks Martin. Sorry I doubted you but events seemed extremely odd but now you've explained everything here I'm willing to believe you and move on. Accept my apologies once again but make sure you ground your cousin for a week or two.Martin_May wrote:Hi. I've seen these replies to my comments and am relieved to say the least. I accept your apology Kirk. In hindsight I cannot blame your immediate reaction, as cheating, not to mention unsavoury comments seemingly on my behalf, are things you never want to see.
I'll be keeping my cousin well away from Apterous in future
Martin
Now you've isolated the problem can you program it in?Charlie Reams wrote:Except that would require a fundamental change to human nature
Ha, what am I in the clique now?Daniel Dodgson wrote:In hindsight, I should have intervened with this but I was busy playing a match. After a while it became clear that Martin was telling the truth, but Kirk wanted to not believe. And that guy Jimmy Gough was in the background saying stuff like "Kirk's a star, who are you?". Quite a horrible sight to see really.
There does seem to be a bit of hostility from some of the "Countdown clique" to newer members. It really needs to stop.
I'd leave Jimmy alone, have you seen his avatar? Those abs are so toned.Jimmy Gough wrote:Ha, what am I in the clique now?Daniel Dodgson wrote:In hindsight, I should have intervened with this but I was busy playing a match. After a while it became clear that Martin was telling the truth, but Kirk wanted to not believe. And that guy Jimmy Gough was in the background saying stuff like "Kirk's a star, who are you?". Quite a horrible sight to see really.
There does seem to be a bit of hostility from some of the "Countdown clique" to newer members. It really needs to stop.
I was trying to tell Kirk to stop arguing with some random person off the internet and that it wasn't worth it. I'm really taking a dislike to you. You seem to determined to make me sound like (even more of ) a complete cock at any opportunity you can. You seem to have it in for me
I think I'm friendly enough to newbies. Please leave me alone.
But the thing is, Jimmy, I'd like to think that I am not some "random person" off the Internet. I have been on Countdown, and I like to think that I made the most of it.JackHurst wrote:Jimmy Gough wrote:Ha, what am I in the clique now?Daniel Dodgson wrote:In hindsight, I should have intervened with this but I was busy playing a match. After a while it became clear that Martin was telling the truth, but Kirk wanted to not believe. And that guy Jimmy Gough was in the background saying stuff like "Kirk's a star, who are you?". Quite a horrible sight to see really.
There does seem to be a bit of hostility from some of the "Countdown clique" to newer members. It really needs to stop.
I was trying to tell Kirk to stop arguing with some random person off the internet and that it wasn't worth it. I'm really taking a dislike to you. You seem to determined to make me sound like (even more of ) a complete cock at any opportunity you can. You seem to have it in for me
I think I'm friendly enough to newbies. Please leave me alone.
Hmmm.Charlie Reams wrote:Looks legit to me. He's played a lot of games so chances are he'd pick up common obscurities like SARCOID and INTRADOS, and VETTO was probably just a guess because you had a 5, or maybe just a typo.Matt Morrison wrote:Samir Pilica - safe?
I fail to see how someone with a 900 rating who thinks VETO is spelt with two Ts can then go and find words like SARCOID and INTRADOS
you'd think he'd pick the obvious 'pronates' but no...Kai Laddiman wrote:Hmmm.Charlie Reams wrote:Looks legit to me. He's played a lot of games so chances are he'd pick up common obscurities like SARCOID and INTRADOS, and VETTO was probably just a guess because you had a 5, or maybe just a typo.Matt Morrison wrote:Samir Pilica - safe?
I fail to see how someone with a 900 rating who thinks VETO is spelt with two Ts can then go and find words like SARCOID and INTRADOS
Yes but why get only GRID? RIGID was an easy spot... if using a solver... surely that would be easy! I'm confusing myself so I might be quiet now :SKai Laddiman wrote: Hmmm.
... and he doesn't get the numbers or conundrum (the first numbers was easy). The queries continue...Adam Dexter wrote:Yes but why get only GRID? RIGID was an easy spot... if using a solver... surely that would be easy! I'm confusing myself so I might be quiet now :SKai Laddiman wrote: Hmmm.
Samir clearly cheated in that game but it looks like he's not doing so any more so let's move on.Eoin Monaghan wrote:
Yes but why get only GRID? RIGID was an easy spot... if using a solver... surely that would be easy! I'm confusing myself so I might be quiet now :S
Sounds like something A CHEATER would say, to me...Kieran Child wrote:To be honest, I don't think there's that much point into putting masses of effort into catching and stopping cheaters.
You make some good points. And I don't put a lot of effort into it. However you will always get some players who buck the trend and will hang around for ages while cheating. Frank Rodolf was a great example (he'd probably still be doing it if I hadn't stopped him) and there are some players on ISC (the Scrabble site) who have cheated for literally years. Also, some people will sort their act out and start playing properly once you confront them, which is good for them and good for everyone else. So when people are cheating in a totally obvious way, I'll do something about it. If someone went to really great lengths they could probably fly under the Cheatomatic's radar (it generates more false negatives than positives for sure) and good luck to them, because it'll be the most boring few hours of their life.Kieran Child wrote:To be honest, I don't think there's that much point into putting masses of effort into catching and stopping cheaters. Firstly, they'll be a minority. Secondly, they cannot be getting any fun out of it (I wouldn't have thought) so they'll be gone soon enough. Thirdly, if they really do enjoy doing it, then why not let the baby have its bottle? They're not harming anyone, just wasting their own time, and not getting any money out of it...
It wasn't me that quoted that btw.Kirk Bevins wrote:Samir clearly cheated in that game but it looks like he's not doing so any more so let's move on.Eoin Monaghan wrote:
Yes but why get only GRID? RIGID was an easy spot... if using a solver... surely that would be easy! I'm confusing myself so I might be quiet now :S
I don't know why this is addressed to me, I never said you were cheating. Chill and enjoy the next 900.samir pilica wrote:Hello Charlie. I would like to assure you that I have never cheated and never will as there is absolutely no reason for me to do so. As you know I have played almost 900 games and have browsed hundreds of the games of the top players in order to pick up some unusual words, write them down and eventually try to memorise them.So far I`ve got some 600 words. I am not interested in the ratings and I could not care less whether I win or lose. Since I haven`t got the ODE, this is the only place where I can come across the words such as mpingo,isabgul,piapiac,thiourea etc and that is the only reason why I keep coming back.
One to add to the list:Eoin Monaghan wrote:Aswell as a clearly fake name, Joe Blogs, from this:
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=54978
To this:
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=55579
Probably an established player having a laugh. I can't think how it would be possible to cheat on unlimited mode. This game made me lol: http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=55593Ian Volante wrote:One to add to the list:Eoin Monaghan wrote:Aswell as a clearly fake name, Joe Blogs, from this:
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=54978
To this:
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=55579
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?game=56520
Opinions?
Why?Eoin Monaghan wrote:Don't ask me why, but I know Joe Blogs isn't a cheat. (and no, it's not me!)
Is it you?Eoin Monaghan wrote:Don't ask me why, but I know Joe Blogs isn't a cheat. (and no, it's not me!)
I knew it was you from your awesome unlimited abilities .Callum Laddiman wrote:Eoin's right, sort of. I am so sorry to say it was me and my friends. Basically my friends made an account to practise on and for some reason chose the name Joe Blogs from a teacher that came in to our school. Im very sorry that i have got you Kabuffled into this mess. If you see him playing good then you know it is me but if he's playing bad then you know it is my friend.
Im so sorry,
Callum.
10Ben Hunter wrote:To be fair he's only 8
If that's the case I take everything back. Send him to jail!Kai Laddiman wrote:10Ben Hunter wrote:To be fair he's only 8
It's not me, it's Callum!Matt Morrison wrote:I'm not really coming down on Eoin, don't know the guy, got no problem.
But regardless of age, if you're going to regularly beat fairly intelligent adults with your vocabulary, you ought to also be mature enough to keep up with them in the common sense department.
Haha, fuck, sorry Eoin! I didn't think it was you - that was just a genuine mistake.Eoin Monaghan wrote:It's not me, it's Callum!Matt Morrison wrote:I'm not really coming down on Eoin, don't know the guy, got no problem.
But regardless of age, if you're going to regularly beat fairly intelligent adults with your vocabulary, you ought to also be mature enough to keep up with them in the common sense department.
Haha, you swore in a conversation involving 3 under 13s.Matt Morrison wrote:Haha, fuck, sorry Eoin! I didn't think it was you - that was just a genuine mistake.Eoin Monaghan wrote:It's not me, it's Callum!Matt Morrison wrote:I'm not really coming down on Eoin, don't know the guy, got no problem.
But regardless of age, if you're going to regularly beat fairly intelligent adults with your vocabulary, you ought to also be mature enough to keep up with them in the common sense department.
All you little brainboxes confuse me
Hehe.Ben Hunter wrote:I knew it was you from your awesome unlimited abilities .Callum Laddiman wrote:Eoin's right, sort of. I am so sorry to say it was me and my friends. Basically my friends made an account to practise on and for some reason chose the name Joe Blogs from a teacher that came in to our school. Im very sorry that i have got you Kabuffled into this mess. If you see him playing good then you know it is me but if he's playing bad then you know it is my friend.
Im so sorry,
Callum.
Haha, he's 11, shows what my memory's like.I wrote:10Ben Hunter wrote:To be fair he's only 8