Spoilers for Wednesday 18th July 2018 (Series 79, Prelim 16)
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:28 pm
GOATIER in R5.
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Have to second this...and for that, I respect her for going through all that. Heck, I would have just given up halfway and requested to get the hell out of there!Christy Cooper wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:36 pm Anita's anecdote about Papua New Guinea was very entertaining. I know it's not relevant to the game, but just thought I'd mention it anyway
Numbers wise you can't say that today...maybe yes yesterday but here it's not easy to spot the solutions. Shame on me I didn't get 114 in R14 and missed everything else except R6.
I thought the numbers were tricky today but wasn't sure if I was having a bad day, lol. Eventually I found 114 as 8 x (7+3) + 25 + 9 or 9 x (7+3) + 25 - 1. (edit after checking back)
I did that too. Both the method and the time.Peter Mabey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm Dunno why 114 was tricky : it's obviously 19x6 , so 25+3-9 x 7-1 with time to spare
Not in the dictionary. Goaty is but you cant add ier or iest
Sorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalidsamir pilica wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.
It's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 amSorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalidsamir pilica wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.
I'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 amIt's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 amSorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalidsamir pilica wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:31 pm Goatier - a comparative adjective, so would have been valid if declared.
Apterous is generally a very, very good and accurate arbiter for words, and mistakes are extremely rare. I'm fairly certain in words where it's one syllable-y eg TRICK-Y, GAMM-Y, GOAT-Y the superlative forms are also allowable and I would wager that this would almost certainly be allowed on the show. I can't profess I know exactly whether it would or wouldn't be allowed on the show, only the producer would really know that and if it is really such an issue I suggest you take it up with him personally. If I spotted it on the show I'd be going for it, anyway. If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 amI'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 amIt's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:34 am
Sorry. Comparative adjective needs to be specified in the OED to be valid. It is not. Therefore invalid
As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.
I wouldnt go for it on the show with goatier. The show rule is quite clear as intimated earlier in the thread. Goatier would not be allowed as it is not specified separately in the OED online. That is the rule per Suzy Dent.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pmApterous is generally a very, very good and accurate arbiter for words, and mistakes are extremely rare. I'm fairly certain in words where it's one syllable-y eg TRICK-Y, GAMM-Y, GOAT-Y the superlative forms are also allowable and I would wager that this would almost certainly be allowed on the show. I can't profess I know exactly whether it would or wouldn't be allowed on the show, only the producer would really know that and if it is really such an issue I suggest you take it up with him personally. If I spotted it on the show I'd be going for it, anyway. If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 amI'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:46 am
It's not specified in the free online dictionary, but it might be in the paid-for version. It's valid on Apterous so it probably is.
As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.
I may as well clarify that the reason it was ticketed and made valid on apterous is because it WAS specified in the free version. It was probably never in the premium version. And now the comparatives/superlatives have disappeared from the free version again, so it's no longer visible. GOATIER could make a return at some point, but for the time being it would be invalid.Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:59 pmI wouldnt go for it on the show with goatier. The show rule is quite clear as intimated earlier in the thread. Goatier would not be allowed as it is not specified separately in the OED online. That is the rule per Suzy Dent.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pmApterous is generally a very, very good and accurate arbiter for words, and mistakes are extremely rare. I'm fairly certain in words where it's one syllable-y eg TRICK-Y, GAMM-Y, GOAT-Y the superlative forms are also allowable and I would wager that this would almost certainly be allowed on the show. I can't profess I know exactly whether it would or wouldn't be allowed on the show, only the producer would really know that and if it is really such an issue I suggest you take it up with him personally. If I spotted it on the show I'd be going for it, anyway. If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:35 am
I'm surprised you can't tell from what I've written that I've already looked it up in OED premium. I like to be accurate in what I write.
As u say, it is in Apterous but Apterous is out of line with the OED in this case.
Apterous is simply wrong in this instance. If you look at a word like beaky for example, beakiest and beakier are not allowed as they are not specified separately in the OED online premium edition. They are also not allowed on Apterous.
U can describe a cheese or anything else as goatier but it would be disallowed on Countdown
Repulsive?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?
*Likes comment*Fred Mumford wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:26 pmRepulsive?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:41 pm If a cheese can have a goaty flavour, how do you refer to a cheese that is a bit more so?
When?Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed
Don't know. Some time back. U could find it on All4Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:53 pmWhen?Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed
Then it holds no water. Dictionary updates happen all the time and many words disallowed previously are now valid. The only way to know for sure if it would be allowed is to ask Damian himself to clarify.Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:06 pmDon't know. Some time back. U could find it on All4Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:53 pmWhen?Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:51 pm Sarah Millican tried goatier once on Cats Countdown - disallowed
The basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.
Will just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pmThe basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.
I'm not sure I'd ever describe a cheese as goaty in the first place, let alone compare two goaty cheeses! Does anyone ever call a cheese cowy?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pmWill just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pmThe basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:12 pm It'd be interesting to see the verdict of the actual producer on this. I'm happy to concede if wrong but there are certain rules that they apply eg the restaurant rule. If a cheese is more goaty than the other than how do you describe it? GOATIER, GOATIEST seem logical.
I'd never use half of the words I play on apterous, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned as to whether they're allowedGavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:32 pmI'm not sure I'd ever describe a cheese as goaty in the first place, let alone compare two goaty cheeses! Does anyone ever call a cheese cowy?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pmWill just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:13 pm
The basic rule is that single-syllable adjectives can have ER and EST added by default, whereas with adjectives that have two or more syllables, the comparatives and superlatives have to be explicitly specified. If a cheese is more goaty, then you can call it "more goaty". GOATIER might seem logical, but in this case, I think the rules are quite clear.
How good are you at countdown Elliott?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:37 pmI'd never use half of the words I play on apterous, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned as to whether they're allowedGavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:32 pmI'm not sure I'd ever describe a cheese as goaty in the first place, let alone compare two goaty cheeses! Does anyone ever call a cheese cowy?Elliott Mellor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:19 pm
Will just have to hope it doesn't come up if ever one of is on then:P If GOATIER, GOATIEST are indeed not going to be allowed then it's pretty silly tbh, surely a cheese can be goatier than another? Idk.
I'd say he's odds on to win a teapot.
Ok. Thanks Bradley. Btw I thought you'd become series champion
This.Steve Hawdon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:09 pmNot in the dictionary. Goaty is but you cant add ier or iest