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I got round the bug in the third numbers game by typing the calculation out in full in the box (using brackets )

I ending up aborting on the duel I was that annoyed about not scoring on numbers. I then tested in a game against Prune and it seems to vary when the commit attempt froze - on one attempt the 2nd commit froze whereas I got to the 3rd commit on the next game before it froze and timed out. Charlie - please fix this quickly because I'm too slow at trying to type out with brackets.

I incorrectly guessed a goatdown conundrum after the ninth letter came up. When the letters came back after my incorrect guess, the ninth letter was hidden again.

For the past hour or so I haven't been able to load the game properly. Here's a screengrab of what I see when I log in. Below is the Java Console data for the log-in (I cut out the shortcuts key to save space).

Java Plug-in 1.5.0
Using JRE version 1.5.0_24 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
----------------------------------------------------
Mon Aug 09 17:28:50 BST 2010 JEP creating applet applet.frontend.MainApplet (http://www.apterous.org/)
<<< ProxyClassLoader: defined LiveConnectProxy class. >>>
<<< Here're the permissions you've got: >>>
<<< java.security.Permissions@9468ca (
(java.net.SocketPermission http://www.apterous.org connect,accept,resolve)
)
>>>
SRC: Opening socket...
SRC: Opening socket ostream...
SRC: Opening socket istream...
SRC: Opening object ostream...
SRC: Opening object istream...
SRC: Done opening streams.
Thread-20 << net.MessageToServer$IdentifySelf@a3ae73
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$LoggedIn@9f332b
RX net.MessageToClient$LoggedIn@9f332b
XX net.MessageToClient$LoggedIn@9f332b
Logged in as Adam Gillard[#10954]
Prefs: null
Thread-20 << net.MessageToServer$RequestGamesInProgress@5d5a2c
AsyncDespatcher << net.MessageToServer$ClassicGameSearch@11e6b9
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$ChallengesSet@3a1e23
RX net.MessageToClient$ChallengesSet@3a1e23
XX net.MessageToClient$ChallengesSet@3a1e23
**OFFLINE
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogin@9d963f
RX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogin@9d963f
XX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogin@9d963f
Exception in thread "ClientReceiveThread" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/server/GameOnServer
at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredFields0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredFields(Class.java:2259)
at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredField(Class.java:1852)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.getDeclaredSUID(ObjectStreamClass.java:1582)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.access$700(ObjectStreamClass.java:52)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass$2.run(ObjectStreamClass.java:408)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.<init>(ObjectStreamClass.java:400)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.lookup(ObjectStreamClass.java:297)
at java.io.ObjectStreamClass.initNonProxy(ObjectStreamClass.java:531)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readNonProxyDesc(ObjectInputStream.java:1552)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readClassDesc(ObjectInputStream.java:1466)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(ObjectInputStream.java:1699)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(ObjectInputStream.java:1305)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.defaultReadFields(ObjectInputStream.java:1910)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(ObjectInputStream.java:1834)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(ObjectInputStream.java:1719)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(ObjectInputStream.java:1305)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readArray(ObjectInputStream.java:1634)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(ObjectInputStream.java:1299)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.defaultReadFields(ObjectInputStream.java:1910)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(ObjectInputStream.java:1834)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(ObjectInputStream.java:1719)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(ObjectInputStream.java:1305)
at java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(ObjectInputStream.java:348)
at net.DirectNetworkLayer.readObject(DirectNetworkLayer.java:89)
at net.client.CXInfoClient$ReceiveThread.run(CXInfoClient.java:142)
AsyncDespatcher << net.MessageToServer$RequestPlayerHTML@fb4a7b
AsyncDespatcher << net.MessageToServer$SubscribeEvent@d58dfe

Adam Gillard wrote:Here's a screengrab of what I see when I log in.

Matt Morrison wrote:

Adam Gillard wrote:Here's a screengrab of what I see when I log in.

It wasn't a Mac problem, although it was a problem caused by my switch to developing on a Mac. (So much for "write once, run anywhere".) Fixed now.

Charlie, you may recall I had a problem a few months ago with round windows not popping up. Well today it's come back. Below is the Java console data for a numbers round that didn't pop up in the game between myself and Scott Gillies (c. 11.27pm). There's some lobby chat in there too but I included it all because I don't know which bits you need. This has happened in letters rounds too (and probably could in conundrum rounds).

EVINSERT:<b><a href="user?id=2399">Jack Hurst</a>:</b> Do you liek my explanation?
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@b44916
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@b44916
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@b44916
EVINSERT:<b><a href="user?id=2399">Jack Hurst</a>:</b> *Like
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogout@5a8812
RX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogout@5a8812
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@9b623b
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@9b623b
XX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogout@5a8812
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@9b623b
EVINSERT:<a href="user?id=12847">Matt Hall</a> left the room.
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterChanged@db578c
RX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterChanged@db578c
XX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterChanged@db578c
CX sending keepalive
KeepaliveThread << net.MessageToServer$Keepalive@b2f71d
CX sent keepalive
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@7b007f
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@7b007f
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@7b007f
EVINSERT:<b><a href="user?id=3103">Matt Bayfield</a>:</b> Jack's post looks like the bottom row of the letter chart in an eye test...
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterChanged@2c3abe
RX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterChanged@2c3abe
XX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterChanged@2c3abe
ClientGame886 << GameEvent{key=886,pos=1,o=0}
Method request?
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@98fea8
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@98fea8
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@98fea8
EVINSERT:<b><a href="user?id=2399">Jack Hurst</a>:</b>
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=false}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=false}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=Declared: 706
Method: 75 x 10 = 750
750 - 50 = 700
700 + 6 = 706
}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=Declared: 706
Method: 75 x 10 = 750
750 - 50 = 700
700 + 6 = 706
}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=Declared: 705
Method: 100 - 6 = 94
94 x 75 = 7050
7050 / 10 = 705
}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=Declared: 705
Method: 100 - 6 = 94
94 x 75 = 7050
7050 / 10 = 705
}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=[apterous.game.NumbersRequestEvent@f06943]}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=[apterous.game.NumbersRequestEvent@f06943]}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=[Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;@8ec43e}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=false}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=Declared: 706
Method: 75 x 10 = 750
750 - 50 = 700
700 + 6 = 706
}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=Declared: 705
Method: 100 - 6 = 94
94 x 75 = 7050
7050 / 10 = 705
}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=[apterous.game.NumbersRequestEvent@f06943]}
Method request: false
Getting other declaration
Doing tidy-up
He did Declared: 706
Method: 75 x 10 = 750
750 - 50 = 700
700 + 6 = 706
, I did Declared: 0
Method: No, sorry, I screwed it up.
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=[Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;@8ec43e}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=[Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;@8ec43e}
CV=0, conts=1,2147483647, sol=3, contlines=3,2147483647, carolBeat = true
Numbers frame visible? false
And relax
Got round summary
Numbers frame visible? false
CX sending keepalive
KeepaliveThread << net.MessageToServer$Keepalive@34d41a
CX sent keepalive

Adam Gillard wrote:Charlie, you may recall I had a problem a few months ago with round windows not popping up. Well today it's come back. Below is the Java console data for a numbers round that didn't pop up in the game between myself and Scott Gillies (c. 11.27pm). There's some lobby chat in there too but I included it all because I don't know which bits you need. This has happened in letters rounds too (and probably could in conundrum rounds).

Are you on a Mac?

Yes I am on a Mac. Here's the data for a subsequent letters round in the same game that didn't pop up.

SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
CX Synch stage 1 (writing)...
ClientGame886 << GameEvent{key=886,pos=1,o=87621}
CX Synch stage 2 (reading)...
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=87622}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=87622}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=87622}
CX Synch done.
TPP 12
TPP 6
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogin@120ba7
RX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogin@120ba7
XX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogin@120ba7
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=S}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=S}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=S}
Picked S
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=N}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=N}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=N}
Picked N
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@b61651
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@b61651
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@b61651
EVINSERT:<a href="user?id=12847">Matt Hall</a> entered the room!
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=U}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=U}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=U}
Picked U
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=E}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=E}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=E}
Picked E
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=D}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=D}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=D}
Picked D
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=G}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=G}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=G}
Picked G
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@8a958c
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@8a958c
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@8a958c
EVINSERT:<em>The 9 from </em><span class="puzzle">SSDEOANTI</span><em> was </em>SEDATIONS<em>!</em>
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=I}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=I}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=I}
Picked I
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=E}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=E}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=E}
Picked E
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=N}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=N}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=N}
Picked N
Attempting clock start
Clock started successfully.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogout@ef0949
RX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogout@ef0949
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@4abd07
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@4abd07
XX net.MessageToClient$PlayerRosterLogout@ef0949
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@4abd07
EVINSERT:<a href="user?id=2469">Jojo Apollo</a> left the room.
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
CX sending keepalive
KeepaliveThread << net.MessageToServer$Keepalive@6c6e4
CX sent keepalive
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@21c593
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@21c593
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@21c593
EVINSERT:Your new teaser is <span class="puzzle"><b>EPTDDEAR</b></span>. You have 60 seconds to answer!
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@a3cb72
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@a3cb72
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@a3cb72
EVINSERT:<a href="user?id=3938">Edward McCullagh</a> got it first. You have 55.1 seconds left.
SpecPanel: adding text
SpecPanel: Setting caret
SpecPanel: done.
Clock ended successfully.
Rounded lasted 30107 ms wall time.
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@51dc47}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@51dc47}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@51dc47}
Thread-126 << GameEvent{key=886,pos=1,o=}
Thread-126 << GameEvent{key=886,pos=1,o=[Ljava.lang.String;@18ce2c}
Thread-126 << GameEvent{key=886,pos=1,o=0}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@1a2e84}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@1a2e84}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@1a2e84}
I said apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@1a2e84, he said apterous.game.LettersDeclaration@51dc47
Awaiting maxes...
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=[UNSEEING, INGENUES, UNSIGNED]}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=[UNSEEING, INGENUES, UNSIGNED]}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=0}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=0}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=null}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=null}
ClientReceiveThread >> GameEvent{key=376 o=[Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;@e41c46}
RX GameEvent{key=376 o=[Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;@e41c46}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=[UNSEEING, INGENUES, UNSIGNED]}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=0}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=null}
XX GameEvent{key=376 o=[Lapterous.game.RoundSummary;@e41c46}
Got round summary
ClientReceiveThread >> net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@fcf4be
RX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@fcf4be
XX net.MessageToClient$SpectatorMessage@fcf4be

Adam Gillard wrote:Yes I am on a Mac. Here's the data for a subsequent letters round in the same game that didn't pop up.

I find this happens quite often on my MacBook, but there's no error in the console, and I usually find eventually that the window did appear, but underneath/behind/minimized or something else stupid like that.

To give you some history on the problems with apterous and Macs (and vent some of my own frustration on the subject): for some reason Apple have always insisted on maintaining their own version of Java. On all other platforms, Sun (the owners of Java) maintain it and therefore Windows, Linux etc are kept in sync, and this was always one of the major selling points of Java. Apple's version tended to be a little behind, which was annoying, but no major problems. Then, in December 2006, Java 6 arrived (also known as Java 1.6, confusingly enough). At this point, Apple decided that they couldn't really be arsed maintaining their version of Java any more. But also they didn't want to turn over maintenance of the platform to Sun. So, to get to the point, Mac Java has been frozen for the last 3.5 years. And 3.5 years is a long time in programming languages. Apple occasionally issue security updates, and will insist on Software Update that your version of Java is up-to-date, but compared to any other operating system, it really isn't. They have continued to update Java for their 64-bit architecture, so if you have a more recent Mac, you're probably fine. But the vast majority of their installed base are using 32-bit hardware and really don't want to buy a very expensive new Mac just to run Java. So they've completely fucked over a large proportion of their customers, including me (and you by the sound of it), for no reason other than their desire to control every piece of software run on the platform. As far as possible I write around the limitations of Macs, but occasionally it's just impossible, and when you get mysterious bugs like disappearing windows, you've only got Apple to blame. So now you know.

But it hasn't happened for months. Literally not once. Then suddenly twice in 15-round games. Are you sure you didn't change something that might be related? Because otherwise I won't be able to play many fair games where my opponent doesn't feel guilty about beating me. When it's my pick I just log out and in, but when it's their pick I just lose the round if I don't log out within 30-odd seconds.

Adam Gillard wrote:But it hasn't happened for months. Literally not once. Then suddenly twice in 15-round games. Are you sure you didn't change something that might be related? Because otherwise I won't be able to play many fair games where my opponent doesn't feel guilty about beating me. When it's my pick I just log out and in, but when it's their pick I just lose the round if I don't log out within 30-odd seconds.

The only thing I've changed in the client for weeks is fixing the multiply/divide symbols. More likely something else has changed on your Mac. Did Apple release a new version of Java recently? I don't pay much attention.

Not sure if Kieran Child's max game of 0 should be on here: http://www.apterous.org/viewformat.php?format=140

Yes it says it's been excluded like a naughty schoolchild but it still appears on that page and also this one.

Charlie Reams wrote:

Adam Gillard wrote:But it hasn't happened for months. Literally not once. Then suddenly twice in 15-round games. Are you sure you didn't change something that might be related? Because otherwise I won't be able to play many fair games where my opponent doesn't feel guilty about beating me. When it's my pick I just log out and in, but when it's their pick I just lose the round if I don't log out within 30-odd seconds.

The only thing I've changed in the client for weeks is fixing the multiply/divide symbols. More likely something else has changed on your Mac. Did Apple release a new version of Java recently? I don't pay much attention.

Well I did a manual software update check the other day and it said there were no new updates. I certainly can't recall any Java updates recently. I'll just have to hope that it will fix itself - maybe today's problems were anomalous.

Kirk Bevins wrote:Not sure if Kieran Child's max game of 0 should be on here: http://www.apterous.org/viewformat.php?format=140

Yes it says it's been excluded like a naughty schoolchild but it still appears on that page and also this one.

Cheers. The exclusion feature was quite a recent addition and a lot of older code doesn't check for it. I tried to catch them but there's probably plenty that I missed, so please report them as you spot them.

Adam Gillard wrote:Charlie, you may recall I had a problem a few months ago with round windows not popping up.

What is this, Play School?*

*I'm sure this comment will mean something to those of you over 30 years old at least...

Ian Volante wrote:

Adam Gillard wrote:Charlie, you may recall I had a problem a few months ago with round windows not popping up.

What is this, Play School?*

*I'm sure this comment will mean something to those of you over 30 years old at least...

I've heard of Play School, but being under 30 I had to look up the round windows thing and stumbled upon this very brief clip

Hardly a big deal, but I didn't get a soapy mouth for this round!

Chris Davies wrote:Hardly a big deal, but I didn't get a soapy mouth for this round!

I never thought to point them out before but I've had some similar rounds. Will have to try and remember them.
Mind you, pretty much everything is a rude word for me. You ought to get one for BESTRIDE and SMOOGED and stuff.

Matt Morrison wrote:

Chris Davies wrote:Hardly a big deal, but I didn't get a soapy mouth for this round!

I never thought to point them out before but I've had some similar rounds. Will have to try and remember them.
Mind you, pretty much everything is a rude word for me. You ought to get one for BESTRIDE and SMOOGED and stuff.

Yes, please do report these. I made a list of all the profanities I could think of, but I probably missed plenty.

I was given an ambulance in round 11 of this game

Hi C harlie. Still unable to load the game on this computer. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling Java, Firefox & IE, and clearing the Java cache as you suggested. Here's the Java console:
Java Plug-in 1.6.0_21
Using JRE version 1.6.0_21-b07 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM
User home directory = C:\Documents and Settings\Liam

----------------------------------------------------
c: clear console window
f: finalize objects on finalization queue
g: garbage collect
h: display this help message
l: dump classloader list
m: print memory usage
o: trigger logging
q: hide console
r: reload policy configuration
s: dump system and deployment properties
t: dump thread list
v: dump thread stack
x: clear classloader cache
0-5: set trace level to <n>
----------------------------------------------------

security: property package.access value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.
security: property package.access new value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws
security: property package.access value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws
security: property package.access new value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy
security: property package.access value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy
security: property package.access new value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy,com.sun.jnlp
security: property package.definition value null
security: property package.definition new value com.sun.javaws
security: property package.definition value com.sun.javaws
security: property package.definition new value com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy
security: property package.definition value com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy
security: property package.definition new value com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy,com.sun.jnlp
security: property package.access value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy,com.sun.jnlp
security: property package.access new value sun.,com.sun.xml.internal.ws.,com.sun.xml.internal.bind.,com.sun.imageio.,com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy,com.sun.jnlp,org.mozilla.jss
security: property package.definition value com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy,com.sun.jnlp
security: property package.definition new value com.sun.javaws,com.sun.deploy,com.sun.jnlp,org.mozilla.jss
basic: Added progress listener: sun.plugin.util.GrayBoxPainter$GrayBoxProgressListener@1ef9f1d
basic: Plugin2ClassLoader.addURL parent called for http://apterous.org/client/macpoop.jar
network: Cache entry not found [url: http://apterous.org/client/macpoop.jar, version: null]
network: Connecting http://apterous.org/client/macpoop.jar with proxy=DIRECT
network: Connecting http://apterous.org:80/ with proxy=DIRECT
network: Connecting http://apterous.org/client/macpoop.jar with cookie "__utma=210967365.258247647.1281563833.1281649570.1281652311.3; __utmz=210967365.1281652311.3.3.utmcsr=c4countdown.co.uk|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/index.php; uid=3072; sessionid=11755717271405022573; uid=3072; sessionid=11755717271405022573; __utmb=210967365.9.10.1281652311; __utmc=210967365"

Liam Tiernan wrote:Hi C harlie. Still unable to load the game on this computer. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling Java, Firefox & IE, and clearing the Java cache as you suggested.

Have you tried this?

Chris Davies wrote:Hardly a big deal, but I didn't get a soapy mouth for this round!

I had shit once.

Robert Baxter wrote:

Chris Davies wrote:Hardly a big deal, but I didn't get a soapy mouth for this round!

I had shit once.

I'm all in favour of world cuisine but this is ridiculous.

Hi. I was spectating and writing a message, but I don't think it got through.

This could possibly just be my computer, and it certainly isn't important, but the records on the high score page that are supposed to be highlighted in red are actually green.

The Spoon of Awesome is awarded for services to the advancement of Aptocraft.
Query failed in gen mode , please report as a bug to charlie

Lesley Hines wrote:The Spoon of Awesome is awarded for services to the advancement of Aptocraft.
Query failed in gen mode , please report as a bug to charlie

Fixed, have a Silver Bug.

I just had the plural PRODIGIES as a conundrum in this game http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 5254428662

Unless plurals have been allowed as conundrums for nasty nums 15 rounders i wonder how this one got through the net...

Dinos Sfyris wrote:I just had the plural PRODIGIES as a conundrum in this game http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ke ... 5254428662

Unless plurals have been allowed as conundrums for nasty nums 15 rounders i wonder how this one got through the net...

Strictly speaking, I believe the rule is that plurals formed by adding an -S aren't allowed...

Dinos Sfyris wrote:Unless plurals have been allowed as conundrums for nasty nums 15 rounders

They have.

Don't know if this is a bug or not, but re: the News of 6 August:

Improved: Slightly increased the conundrum difficulty cap for most players, since not enough people were enjoying the delights of 10/10 conundrums.

After this change was made, I became eligible for Diamond difficulty conundrums. (In fact, I got faced with quite a lot of them.)

A few days later (not sure exactly when), I no longer got any Diamond difficulty conundrums: I haven't had a single one in many rounds. This is despite my rating increasing over this period.

Adam Gillard (whose rating is similar, but slightly higher than mine) has had the same experience.

Has the conundrum difficulty cap somehow reverted to the old system? Or could it be just because you've re-set most or all of the Diamond difficulty conundrums to a difficulty of 1, in order to get more data?

Clearly, if it's the latter, there is no problem/bug.

Matt Bayfield wrote:Has the conundrum difficulty cap somehow reverted to the old system? Or could it be just because you've re-set most or all of the Diamond difficulty conundrums to a difficulty of 1, in order to get more data?

Clearly, if it's the latter, there is no problem/bug.

Yeah, I reverted the change. I'm not sure what went wrong but it seemed suddenly everyone was facing diamonds all the time and that's a more significant problem in terms of discouraging newbies. I may revisit this at some point.

From the history series - Dec 2008: "This month, apterous gained 43 new users, taking us to 170 in total."
Jan 2009: "This month, apterous gained 43 new users, taking us to 1064 in total."
Feb 2009: "This month, apterous gained 69 new users, taking us to 1133 in total."

The numbers seem to have gone wrong for Jan 2009 and have affected Feb too.

Adam Gillard wrote:From the history series - Dec 2008: "This month, apterous gained 43 new users, taking us to 170 in total."
Jan 2009: "This month, apterous gained 43 new users, taking us to 1064 in total."
Feb 2009: "This month, apterous gained 69 new users, taking us to 1133 in total."

The numbers seem to have gone wrong for Jan 2009 and have affected Feb too.

Oops, the change of year confused it a bit. SB4U.

This is more just for inquisitive purposes, but no better place to post.
Anyway, I've only just noticed the huge discrepancy between the time a Top Dog game is finished and the time that Mr. Dog comments on it.

I'm basing this on 30 seconds of research on this James Bradley game alone:

Date: 18 August 2010 01:36PM
Mr. Dog comment: 2010-08-19 01:07:27

When someone's playing in a foreign language chat reports (e.g. 'cos this happened loads today) "Karen Pearson got a pencil for something" and then didn't give us the opportunity to guess it. I know that it's cos chat was littered with foreign attempt offers so can we please just find out what the word is when it's a 9?

Also, the mouse-over of my Gold Bug (tyvm ) just shows gobbledegook.

Thanks

Lesley Hines wrote:When someone's playing in a foreign language chat reports (e.g. 'cos this happened loads today) "Karen Pearson got a pencil for something" and then didn't give us the opportunity to guess it. I know that it's cos chat was littered with foreign attempt offers so can we please just find out what the word is when it's a 9?

Thanks

It's not about uncluttering foreign pencils Lesley - it's because the "can you work out the 9?" game would be spoiled if the pencil was revealed at the same time.
Of course, you're subsequently not seeing the "can you work out the 9?" game (presumably) as you don't have the language in question ticked, which is where the confusion comes from.
Most obvious solution would be for Charlie to hide pencil announcements along with the already-hidden 9 games for languages you don't have selected.

Lesley Hines wrote:When someone's playing in a foreign language chat reports (e.g. 'cos this happened loads today) "Karen Pearson got a pencil for something" and then didn't give us the opportunity to guess it. I know that it's cos chat was littered with foreign attempt offers so can we please just find out what the word is when it's a 9?

Also, the mouse-over of my Gold Bug (tyvm ) just shows gobbledegook.

Thanks

Hi Lesley. I've only just realised you asked me about it. Sorry for ignoring you! I wasn't paying attention to chat.

I think it just said 'something' because it was a 9 and above that (looking back at the chat archive), it says 'Karen Pearson got a Spanish nine from LNARCMOZE; can you spot it?'.

Needless to say, I was feeling jolly pleased with myself because, as you may have noticed, I miss masses on 9s in Spanish!

A very minor one, but when choosing classic games, Harshan Lamabadusuriya's name appears with an html tag in it for some reason.

Ian Volante wrote:A very minor one, but when choosing classic games, Harshan Lamabadusuriya's name appears with an html tag in it for some reason.

Yeah, that's how he spells it now, he had it changed by deed poll a few years back.

Matt Morrison wrote:

Lesley Hines wrote:When someone's playing in a foreign language chat reports (e.g. 'cos this happened loads today) "Karen Pearson got a pencil for something" and then didn't give us the opportunity to guess it. I know that it's cos chat was littered with foreign attempt offers so can we please just find out what the word is when it's a 9?

Thanks

It's not about uncluttering foreign pencils Lesley - it's because the "can you work out the 9?" game would be spoiled if the pencil was revealed at the same time.
Of course, you're subsequently not seeing the "can you work out the 9?" game (presumably) as you don't have the language in question ticked, which is where the confusion comes from.
Most obvious solution would be for Charlie to hide pencil announcements along with the already-hidden 9 games for languages you don't have selected.

I knew that foreign 9s weren't part of the find-the-9 game any more, so I thought it would be good to be able to see what the pencils were for I hadn't realised they only came up though if you've got that particular language option ticked. Good thinking Karen's first full-frontal - fair play .

Lesley Hines wrote: Karen's first full-frontal - fair play .

That should scare a few of the kids then!

Lesley Hines wrote:
Also, the mouse-over of my Gold Bug (tyvm ) just shows gobbledegook.

Thanks

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:Tale ... e_Gold-Bug

According to this page, "The pair of slippers is awarded for your 1st, 10th, 100th, 1000th... game." The top player on that list has 20, and The Duellist has 4270 at the time of writing. Bug methinks...

Adam Gillard wrote:According to this page, "The pair of slippers is awarded for your 1st, 10th, 100th, 1000th... game." The top player on that list has 20, and The Duellist has 4270 at the time of writing. Bug methinks...

Slippers have notoriously long been broken. I think somewhere when Charlie started these item pages he said something to the effect of "so now you can all finally see just how broken slippers are". NSB4U!

Matt Morrison wrote:NSB4U!

NSOMN
(No Skin Off My Nose)

Andrew Feist wrote:

Lesley Hines wrote:
Also, the mouse-over of my Gold Bug (tyvm ) just shows gobbledegook.

Thanks

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:Tale ... e_Gold-Bug

Haha that's really cool. I love that

Nothing huge, but this does need tidying up for consistency:
http://www.apterous.org/viewgame.php?ga ... 8#r4174178

On the site, non-closest max numbers games are no longer bold, but they are still bold in-game.

Half a dozen people on the good vocabulary page are listed with a rating of 0.

http://www.apterous.org/statland.php?se ... _longevity

Current untied records contains some records- such as my HNA- that have subsequently been matched.

"The Handbook of Hulme is awarded for offering a word offered by Handbook Hulme on TV."

Charlie Reams wrote:Cheers. The exclusion feature was quite a recent addition and a lot of older code doesn't check for it. I tried to catch them but there's probably plenty that I missed, so please report them as you spot them.

This German 9 game appears in the German 9 page under "lowest max". The reason the max was so low was a bug that caused the German dictionary used by apterous to be reduced only to words beginning with A.

Suggest that the above game should be excluded. As should the following game, affected by the same bug.

Hi.

On today's Duel it was maxes only Goatdown. I got one of the conundrums (Round 12) before the last letter was revealed and, although I was correct, it didn't give me the point. And, believe me, I need any extra points I can get.

I'm not convinced by the accuracy of my Top Dog target.

Ben Wilson wrote:I'm not convinced by the accuracy of my Top Dog target.

Oi. No moaning. Last time I moaned I got shot at repeatedly.

Karen Pearson wrote:Hi.

On today's Duel it was maxes only Goatdown. I got one of the conundrums (Round 12) before the last letter was revealed and, although I was correct, it didn't give me the point. And, believe me, I need any extra points I can get.

According to the time, no you didn't. You were 0.6 seconds too late to find that starting key.

Clicking randomly led to this page, which contains "This word has an estimated obscurity of % (ubiquitous)."

Andrew Feist wrote:Clicking randomly led to this page, which contains "This word has an estimated obscurity of % (ubiquitous)."

SB4U