Words You Would Have Thought...
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SAMOYED
as in the breed of dog
Listed in ODE
Samoyednoun1a member of a group of mainly nomadic peoples of northern Siberia, who traditionally live as reindeer herders.
2[mass noun] any of several Samoyedic (Uralic) languages of the Samoyeds
3a dog of a white Arctic breed
Now given that saluki just a page away has no capitalization, I would've thought that samoyed would be ok too. Like flowers and plants they are all uncapitalized, yes?
Nope!
It seems that if your dog is named after a place eg Labrador, Alsatian it is a proper noun with a capital if not eg labradoodle, dachsund it's just an ordinary noun and doesn't!
so where does that leave the Dulux Dog?
as in the breed of dog
Listed in ODE
Samoyednoun1a member of a group of mainly nomadic peoples of northern Siberia, who traditionally live as reindeer herders.
2[mass noun] any of several Samoyedic (Uralic) languages of the Samoyeds
3a dog of a white Arctic breed
Now given that saluki just a page away has no capitalization, I would've thought that samoyed would be ok too. Like flowers and plants they are all uncapitalized, yes?
Nope!
It seems that if your dog is named after a place eg Labrador, Alsatian it is a proper noun with a capital if not eg labradoodle, dachsund it's just an ordinary noun and doesn't!
so where does that leave the Dulux Dog?
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GAUZES should defo be in, as in the gauzes you put on tripods for Bunsen burners, and also I was very surprised to find that the plural of RENEGADO is RENEGADOES, not RENEGADOS.
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CLOVERS is the most ridiculous omission, although in the last few days I've noticed the absence of AMPHETAMINES and VOLLEYBALLS, both of which are pretty puzzling.
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Yeah, Susie has actually ruled against CLOVERS offered by a contestant on the show, which caused me to spit out my tea at the time.Charlie Reams wrote:CLOVERS is the most ridiculous omission, although in the last few days I've noticed the absence of AMPHETAMINES and VOLLEYBALLS, both of which are pretty puzzling.
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How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.
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On the theme of X words, INBOX was a surprising exclusion that arose recently. I suspect the new edition (early 2010?) will drop a lot of hyphens so that might well be a new addition.
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Yep, the current one already has BRAINBOX, which has no hyphens at all but presumably means a receptacle for incoming mammary support garments.Charlie Reams wrote:On the theme of X words, INBOX was a surprising exclusion that arose recently. I suspect the new edition (early 2010?) will drop a lot of hyphens so that might well be a new addition.
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AIRBAG should be in
Also PLAUDIT
Also PLAUDIT
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CONMAN/CONMEN surprises a lot of people by its absence. Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."
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Presumably that's what you get if there's only one audient.Charlie Reams wrote:Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."
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COALMINE
DELUXE
AIRHOLE / S
BEASTING
GULLIBLE
DELUXE
AIRHOLE / S
BEASTING
GULLIBLE
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That's strange, I thought that was in.D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
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Kai Laddiman wrote:That's strange, I thought that was in.D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
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You're not the only one.Darren Carter wrote:How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.
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Shhh I think that's bordering on a spoiler......Jeffrey Burgin wrote:You're not the only one.Darren Carter wrote:How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.
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I'm suprised MUNTER isn't in yet as well.
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The amount of times my name has come up at the start of a selection must be a record, although that's because I pick VVVCCCCC(V OR C). And they are also common letters, couldn't find any relative topic to post this in, so I put it here.
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PLEASER?
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Kai Laddiman wrote:That's strange, I thought that was in.D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
Reeled another one in i see.
Good lord above.
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GLACIATED, GLACIATION... No GLACIATES
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Maybe it happens too slowly to be present tense!Kai Laddiman wrote:GLACIATED, GLACIATION... No GLACIATES
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I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a pluralCharlie Reams wrote:CONMAN/CONMEN surprises a lot of people by its absence. Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."
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It is a plural. It just happens to be one that isn't used in the singular form, like TWEEZERS/TWEEZER.marc meakin wrote:I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural
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I thought TWEEZER was an agent nounPhil Reynolds wrote:It is a plural. It just happens to be one that isn't used in the singular form, like TWEEZERS/TWEEZER.marc meakin wrote:I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural
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I tried to play IMBURSE once
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An interesting fact - the joke about GULLIBLE being taken out of the dictionary has been taken out of the joke book.Kai Laddiman wrote:That's strange, I thought that was in.D Eadie wrote:GULLIBLE
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HORSEHEAD
FLID
PINCE
FLID
PINCE
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Hitman and hitmen.
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Someone clever will clear this up, but it's probably only ever used in the phrase "crowd pleaser", never on its own, so invalid.Shaun Hegarty wrote:PLEASER?
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LAGGY, LAGGIER, LAGGIEST
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STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.
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Is it (in common usage)? I've never heard it used as a verb, and the only derivative I've ever encountered is STRIMMER, which is in.Ben Wilson wrote:STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.
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Strimming, as well as in the gardening sense, is also a term used by coin-op manufacturers for defrauding such devices. Obviously not that common usage, but if you've been involved in that field you'll have come across it plenty.Phil Reynolds wrote:Is it (in common usage)? I've never heard it used as a verb, and the only derivative I've ever encountered is STRIMMER, which is in.Ben Wilson wrote:STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.
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STRIM is mine too.
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Going back to the first post, SOMEDAY is in, SAMOYED is out.
There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
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McDonalds?David Williams wrote:There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
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I remember ROADSIDE wasn't in the NODE or due to some NODE technicality couldn't be accepted.
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Is it RINGROAD?
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Don't be silly.Kai Laddiman wrote:McDonalds?David Williams wrote:There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
(that's 9)
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One particularly ridiculous omission is SHITTER. It isn't in CSW either. I'd have expected it to be allowed as a 1-syllable adjective in ODE.
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Good point. When I read that I didn't think of the adjective, was thinking more of the noun, as in "well that's a bit of a shitter isn't it?"Craig Beevers wrote:One particularly ridiculous omission is SHITTER. It isn't in CSW either. I'd have expected it to be allowed as a 1-syllable adjective in ODE.
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Oh yeah, and obviously MODDING should be in by now, and LOSSIER (although that has an anagram, so it's less of a big deal from a Countdown perspective).
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SHITFACE is in, but no SHITFACED.....
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No, that was the earlier dictionary that left out compound words whose meaning was obvious, in order to save space.David O'Donnell wrote:I remember ROADSIDE wasn't in the NODE or due to some NODE technicality couldn't be accepted.
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No.Tyron Potts wrote:Is it RINGROAD?
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I always believed the plural of Quorum to be Quorae, apparently not, Quorums it is.
Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me?
Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me?
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Yes (assuming you meant 'phased' - classical Greek's going, too ) and yes: the plural of QUORUM would be ^QUORA, taking it as 2nd Declension, neuter, though as it's not actually a Latin noun, QUORUMS is OK.Maxine Silkstone wrote:I always believed the plural of Quorum to be Quorae, apparently not, Quorums it is.
Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me?
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Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
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What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
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*makes up a sentence hilariously using summate to be "some ate" like the classic 'my coat has 10 buttons but I can only fascinate'*Charlie Reams wrote:What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
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Given the total lack of interest, I can reveal that although there are several meanings for REMOVAL in the NODE, including one about moving house, there is no hint that it is anything other than a mass noun, so REMOVALS is not allowed. One assumes the sides of furniture vans are not included in the British National Corpus.David Williams wrote:There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
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It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it.Charlie Reams wrote:What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
Or are you just angling for Thesaurus Project so you can take a big black marker pen to a copy of ODE?
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I notice you've answered neither of Charlie's questions...Craig Beevers wrote:It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it.Charlie Reams wrote:What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?Craig Beevers wrote:Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?
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Four plus four, summate.Jon Corby wrote:*makes up a sentence hilariously using summate to be "some ate" like the classic 'my coat has 10 buttons but I can only fascinate'*
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Dozens of the more popular ones online. As for Collins it depends which one you use, regardless it's probably worse than a randomly chosen online source. And yes I've heard it used, probably in a maths lecture where they like to throw in less simple words for the sake of it. Doesn't alter how irrelevant those two questions are.Phil Reynolds wrote:I notice you've answered neither of Charlie's questions...Craig Beevers wrote: It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it.
It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?
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Yeah, but TABLETOP is so much nicer.Kirk Bevins wrote:POTTABLE
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PALATISE
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So the answer to my question "could you perhaps name" them is no? Just so we're clear.Craig Beevers wrote:Dozens of the more popular ones online.Phil Reynolds wrote:It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?