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Champion of champions seedings
It is my understanding that some of the CofC tournaments were seeded in the early days, but I haven't seen these seedings listed anywhere. I had a look myself at Mike's page and worked out what I thought was the likely system used for some of the tournaments:
CofC I
Best estimate is that they sorted by stage reached followed by highest heat score, with Mark Nyman wildcarded up to seed 1 based on his overall performance. He also had the overall highest score of the players (79) but that was in his quarter final.
1. Mark Nyman - Finalist, 62 (10 wins, 1 loss)
2. Joyce Cansfield - Champion, 65 (2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss)
3. Andrew Guy - Champion, 61 (5 wins, 1 loss)
4. Ash Haji - Champion, 58 (6 wins, 1 loss)
5. Brian Hudson - Champion, 55 (7 wins, 1 loss)
6. Russell Byers - Finalist, 59 (7 wins, 2 losses)
7. Christine Hunt - Finalist, 56 (5 wins, 2 losses)
8. William Bradford - Semi-finalist, 69 (9 wins, 1 loss)
CofC II
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
CofC III
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 543 (9 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
CofC IV
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 674 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, 2 losses, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
CofC V
Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:
1. Tim Morrissey - 638 (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, reached SF)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 621 (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, reached SF)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 619 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Mandi Hale - 463 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
5. Lindsey Denyer - 450 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
6 . Michael Wareham - 438 (7 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 411 (6 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 399 (7 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
CofC VI
Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:
1. Chris Waddington - 680, (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
CofC I
Best estimate is that they sorted by stage reached followed by highest heat score, with Mark Nyman wildcarded up to seed 1 based on his overall performance. He also had the overall highest score of the players (79) but that was in his quarter final.
1. Mark Nyman - Finalist, 62 (10 wins, 1 loss)
2. Joyce Cansfield - Champion, 65 (2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss)
3. Andrew Guy - Champion, 61 (5 wins, 1 loss)
4. Ash Haji - Champion, 58 (6 wins, 1 loss)
5. Brian Hudson - Champion, 55 (7 wins, 1 loss)
6. Russell Byers - Finalist, 59 (7 wins, 2 losses)
7. Christine Hunt - Finalist, 56 (5 wins, 2 losses)
8. William Bradford - Semi-finalist, 69 (9 wins, 1 loss)
CofC II
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
CofC III
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 543 (9 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
CofC IV
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 674 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, 2 losses, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
CofC V
Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:
1. Tim Morrissey - 638 (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, reached SF)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 621 (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, reached SF)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 619 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Mandi Hale - 463 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
5. Lindsey Denyer - 450 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
6 . Michael Wareham - 438 (7 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 411 (6 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 399 (7 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
CofC VI
Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:
1. Chris Waddington - 680, (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
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Wow. You really need to get a life.
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What's (only slightly) more interesting is that there were (at the time) members of the Scrabble fraternity in every c of c except one. 9 points to whoever can guess which one.
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No, that's less interesting. But a guess - the one you were in?Ben Wilson wrote:What's (only slightly) more interesting is that there were (at the time) members of the Scrabble fraternity in every c of c except one. 9 points to whoever can guess which one.
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Would the same apply if I ran a website and put such things on? Presumably Mike and Charlie need to get a life.Ginger Jono wrote:Wow. You really need to get a life.
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Well, a little bit, but the stuff they collate has some relevance to.. well, it has some relevance to anything, ever. Unlike this.
Keep up the good work though!
Keep up the good work though!
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Correct you are, regarding the answer to my trivia question. For bonus points, name all the current tournament Scrabblers to have particpated in a c of c .Gevin-Gavin wrote:No, that's less interesting. But a guess - the one you were in?Ben Wilson wrote:What's (only slightly) more interesting is that there were (at the time) members of the Scrabble fraternity in every c of c except one. 9 points to whoever can guess which one.
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Don't worry, I won't let your meanness stop me.Ginger Jono wrote:Keep up the good work though!
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No way.Ben Wilson wrote:Correct you are, regarding the answer to my trivia question. For bonus points, name all the current tournament Scrabblers to have particpated in a c of c .
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Speaking of these seedings (assuming thy are right), it's interesting that points counted over everything else, including winning the series. It's difficult to know if some people were actually selected out because of their points totals, but it seems of those that were selected, points then counted most.
John Clarke was an unbeaten series champion, but because the series ended before he became an octochamp, he ended up 5th in the seedings, behind a beaten semi-finalist. On averages he would have been second behind just Harvey Freeman.
John Clarke was an unbeaten series champion, but because the series ended before he became an octochamp, he ended up 5th in the seedings, behind a beaten semi-finalist. On averages he would have been second behind just Harvey Freeman.
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So, what about the more recent CoCs? How do you reckon they've been seeded? On points?
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They haven't, at least XI and XII weren't. Chris Wills vs David Williams in round 1 of XI and Stewart Holden vs Paul Gallen in the original line-up of XII kinda hint toward a random draw.
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They are not seeded or random, they are plotted, calculated and deviously planned.So, what about the more recent CoCs? How do you reckon they've been seeded? On points?
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When I replied to my invitation for CoC I think I told Mr Eadie there was a drink in it for him if I avoided Mr Wills in Round 1 - with inevitable consequences. I think the only seeding was that all the series champions were kept apart.
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You're right- I'd forgotten about that one seeding they did.David Williams wrote:When I replied to my invitation for CoC I think I told Mr Eadie there was a drink in it for him if I avoided Mr Wills in Round 1 - with inevitable consequences. I think the only seeding was that all the series champions were kept apart.
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Looking back at this, of those six, only twice did the number one seed win, and even Tim Morrissey was only number one using some strange system. As the only xicount (a use for that word), Lawrence Pearse would have been the more logical number one. So I thought I'd look through the CofCs after that (and the supremes) to decide on the logical number one seed and see who won.
Tournament, Top seed, winner
CofC VII - Don Reid, Don Reid
CofC VIII - David Acton, Chris Rogers
Supreme - Harvey Freeman, Harvey Freeman
CofC IX - Ray McPhie, Natascha Kearsey
CofC X - Scott Mearns, Scott Mearns
CofC XI - Julian Fell, Graham Nash
CofC XII - Conor Travers, Paul Gallen
So Harvey Freeman, Don Reid and Scott Mearns are the only proper number one seeds to have won a CofC. Craig Beevers would have been number one for the next one but now won't play, putting David O'Donnell in "pole position".
It's also interesting to see Ray McPhie up there in such company!
Tournament, Top seed, winner
CofC VII - Don Reid, Don Reid
CofC VIII - David Acton, Chris Rogers
Supreme - Harvey Freeman, Harvey Freeman
CofC IX - Ray McPhie, Natascha Kearsey
CofC X - Scott Mearns, Scott Mearns
CofC XI - Julian Fell, Graham Nash
CofC XII - Conor Travers, Paul Gallen
So Harvey Freeman, Don Reid and Scott Mearns are the only proper number one seeds to have won a CofC. Craig Beevers would have been number one for the next one but now won't play, putting David O'Donnell in "pole position".
It's also interesting to see Ray McPhie up there in such company!
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Mike says that there was also seeding for CofC I so I thought I'd have another look at that. But first, I thought I should put some notes with the ones I'd done before to explain my logic (if I can remember):
The logic is partly based on the seeding used in the normal series, which is detailed on Mike's page. I've mentioned that the scores include draws even though there were none, simply because all individual series at the time included draws in the seedings. I've also based it on the assumption that 1 plays 8 in the first QF, then 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 when finding a system that fits. I've not included Clive Freedman's extra score from the previous series, because it wasn't included in the series seeding. It would make no difference here. It would give him an extra win over Clive Spate but it seems to have been done on points (normal series seedings were until much later and it fits with Ian Bebbington being ahead of Laurie Silver. I've not included losses as they weren't included in normal series seedings and also it would change the order - e.g. Laurie Silver lost two games to Ian Bebbington's one so the extra points would put him ahead.CofC II
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, series champion)
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Same system as before and basically the same logic. Conveniently, Stephen Balment was less than 10 points ahead of Michael Stephenson, which demonstrates that the 10 points from the sudden death conundrum were included. They didn't have sudden death conundrums in the heats, so there was no precedent from that. I could have not included Jon Marsh's drawing score and swapped his seeding with John Clarke as they were 4 and 5 anyway, but according to Mike's page drawing scores were included in the normal series seeding. Being champion doesn't elevate John Clarke either because Stephen Balment was champion and he's number 7! I don't think including losses would make a material difference here, but it seems unlikely they'd have included them.CofC III
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 544 (9 wins, 1 draw, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, reached SF)
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Same system and same logic. Hilary Hopper's draw was required to keep her ahead of Nita Marr. Losses can't count or Nita Marr would be ahead of Hilary Hopper.CofC IV
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 677 (11 wins, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, series champion)
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This was a bit of a weird one as it appeared to deviate from the normal logic. Anything that happened in the knockout stages seems to have been disregarded altogether. I've not included draws even though they were included in the series seedings, because this change is needed to keep Tim Morrissey ahead of Jonathan Anstey. (Remember, having seed 1 playing in the first game is an important consideration.)CofC V
Seeds sorted by total points in winning games in heat stages only:
1. Tim Morrissey - 482 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 479 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 438 (8 wins, series champion)
4. Lindsey Denyer - 386 (8 wins, reached SF)
5. Mandi Hale - 257 (5 wins, reached final)
6. Michael Wareham - 222 (4 wins, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 199 (4 wins, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 191 (4 wins, series champion)
I've looked at it again today, and under the old system, with draws included and wins in the knockouts, Tim Morrissey would have 593, Jonathan Anstey 585, and Laurence Pearse 619. With all losses too included too, Tim Morrissey gets 638 and Jonathan Anstey gets 621, with Laurence Pearse still on 619. So this does work for the top 3. Lindsay Denyer would be on 450, Mandi Hale on 463, Michael Wareham on 438, Gino Corr on 411 and Liz Barber on 399. So this doesn't work as it puts Mandi Hale ahead of Lindsay Denyer. This explains my thinking that they didn't include the knockouts.
But what if we only included defeats from the knockouts and not heat defeats? The first four would remain the same as they were all octochamps. Mandi Hale is now on 431, Michael Wareham on 404, Gino Corr on 378 and Liz Barber on 369. This works so it is an alternative possibility. So on the one hand we have a system that ignores the knockouts altogether and also changes the status of draws (from counting to not counting) and on the other hand we have a system that keeps draws as before and includes knockouts and also ignores all the defeats already ignored from the series seedings, but then includes the defeats in the knockout stages. So here is that list:
1. Tim Morrissey - 638
2. Jonathan Anstey - 621
3. Laurence Pearse - 619
4. Lindsay Denyer - 450
5. Mandi Hale - 431
6. Michael Wareham - 404
7. Gino Corr - 378
8. Liz Barber - 369
Which was the one used?
Edit - since the series immediately following this CofC included losing scores in seedings, the policy change may have started here but they may have decided not to use the heat game losses since they'd already been disregarded once. So perhaps this is more evidence for my newer theory.
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From series 21 (the first involved in this CofC), scores from losses counted in the seedings, and this appears to be reflected in the CofC seedings as well (Robert Teuton and Wayne Summers would swap otherwise). I've included Robert Teuton's sudden death conundrum because they were included in the normal series seedings back then.CofC VI
Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:
1. Chris Waddington - 680 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, reached final)
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Is six in a row a new record?
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Nope, Philip Jarvis has eight.Jon O'Neill wrote:Is six in a row a new record?
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Shit. And now we've ruined his World Record attempt.
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Keep out of my thread.
(Does Philip Jarvis actually have eight in a row?)
(Does Philip Jarvis actually have eight in a row?)
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Yes, but only inches.Gavin Chipper wrote:(Does Philip Jarvis actually have eight in a row?)
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Thanks for paying attention Lesley! Surprised Jono missed that
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OK Gev, having checked back, I can now confirm that your seedings (and probably most, if not all, of your logic) is spot on for CoC II, III, IV and VI. For CoC V, Mandi Hale was seeded 4th and Lindsay Denyer 5th (which I think surprised me at the time, but one of your theories above seems to cover it). The seedings for CoC I were as follows:
1. Mark Nyman
2. Joyce Cansfield
3. Andrew Guy
4. Ash Haji
5. Brian Hudson
6. Russell Byers
7. Christine Hunt
8. William Bradford
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1. Mark Nyman
2. Joyce Cansfield
3. Andrew Guy
4. Ash Haji
5. Brian Hudson
6. Russell Byers
7. Christine Hunt
8. William Bradford
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Thanks for that. For some reason I thought it mattered that Mandi and Lindsay swapped round under that system but being 4 and 5 it makes no difference. Do you know how CoC I was done?Mike Brown wrote:OK Gev, having checked back, I can now confirm that your seedings (and probably most, if not all, of your logic) is spot on for CoC II, III, IV and VI. For CoC V, Mandi Hale was seeded 4th and Lindsay Denyer 5th (which I think surprised me at the time, but one of your theories above seems to cover it). The seedings for CoC I were as follows:
1. Mark Nyman
2. Joyce Cansfield
3. Andrew Guy
4. Ash Haji
5. Brian Hudson
6. Russell Byers
7. Christine Hunt
8. William Bradford
Hope you find it useful!
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Not off the top of my head, but if I was guessing, it's probably total points from wins and draws. Might have a look at it soon unless someone (you?) beats me to it...Gavin Chipper wrote:Do you know how CoC I was done?
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I did have a look at it before, but couldn't find an obvious answer. William Bradford was an octochamp and scored more points than quite a few of the others but is number 8.Mike Brown wrote:Not off the top of my head, but if I was guessing, it's probably total points from wins and draws. Might have a look at it soon unless someone (you?) beats me to it...Gavin Chipper wrote:Do you know how CoC I was done?
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Just taken another look and I can't see any obvious logic at all. Maybe William was number 8 because he was the only one not to make a series final, but if so I still can't see what pattern was used to determine the rest. For now, I give up!Gavin Chipper wrote:I did have a look at it before, but couldn't find an obvious answer. William Bradford was an octochamp and scored more points than quite a few of the others but is number 8.Mike Brown wrote:Not off the top of my head, but if I was guessing, it's probably total points from wins and draws. Might have a look at it soon unless someone (you?) beats me to it...Gavin Chipper wrote:Do you know how CoC I was done?
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With CoC I, ignoring Mark Nyman, it could be done by how far they got, followed by highest score in the heats. So:
2. Joyce Cansfield - Champion, 65
3. Andrew Guy - Champion, 61
4. Ash Haji - Champion, 58
5. Brian Hudson - Champion, 55
6. Russell Byers - Finalist, 59
7. Christine Hunt - Finalist, 56
8. William Bradford - Semi-finalist, 69
But then you have:
1. Mark Nyman - Finalist, 62
Mark did score 79 in his quarter final, but if you include knock-out games other people would change orders as well. Ash Haji got 68 in his quarter final, and would go ahead of Joyce Cansfield and Andrew Guy.
Stuff like average or total score seem to make no sense here either.
2. Joyce Cansfield - Champion, 65
3. Andrew Guy - Champion, 61
4. Ash Haji - Champion, 58
5. Brian Hudson - Champion, 55
6. Russell Byers - Finalist, 59
7. Christine Hunt - Finalist, 56
8. William Bradford - Semi-finalist, 69
But then you have:
1. Mark Nyman - Finalist, 62
Mark did score 79 in his quarter final, but if you include knock-out games other people would change orders as well. Ash Haji got 68 in his quarter final, and would go ahead of Joyce Cansfield and Andrew Guy.
Stuff like average or total score seem to make no sense here either.
Re: Champion of champions seedings
Still applies.Jon O'Neill wrote:Wow. You really need to get a life.
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Re: Champion of champions seedings
Just quoting the original post for posterity as I'm going to edit it so that the top post is accurate.
Edit - Edit now done as accurately as my current knowledge allows.Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sun May 18, 2008 7:29 pm It is my understanding that some of the CofC tournaments were seeded in the early days, but I haven't seen these seedings listed anywhere. I had a look myself at Mike's page and worked out what I thought was the likely system used for some of the tournaments:
CofC II
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, series champion)
CofC III
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 544 (9 wins, 1 draw, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, reached SF)
CofC IV
Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:
1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 677 (11 wins, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, series champion)
CofC V
Seeds sorted by total points in winning games in heat stages only:
1. Tim Morrissey - 482 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 479 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 438 (8 wins, series champion)
4. Lindsey Denyer - 386 (8 wins, reached SF)
5. Mandi Hale - 257 (5 wins, reached final)
6. Michael Wareham - 222 (4 wins, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 199 (4 wins, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 191 (4 wins, series champion)
CofC VI
Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:
1. Chris Waddington - 680 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, reached final)
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Re: Champion of champions seedings
Yeah, I don't know why people were so down on this thread at the time. Dickheads the lot of you!
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Re: Champion of champions seedings
I'm pretty sure I wasn't being entirely serious. I think it's actually impressive to get so far into the minutiae of something that only a handful of people will ever care about.
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I'm also pretty sure I was actually never upset or annoyed about it. Tell you what - you can buy me a drink at COLIN and everything will be good.
Re: Champion of champions seedings
Given Gev drinks tap water, I'd take that deal!
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He has to go to COLIN though.