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No love for we lepers the viscounts? Also,Graeme Cole wrote:Here's the first bit - 15 round octochamps ordered by the number of maxes out of 120 in heat games. A maxed round is where the player got the most points available. Tiebreaks aren't counted.Gavin Chipper wrote:Please list every 15-round octochamp in order of maximums out of 120. Do it for 9-rounders as well (but not out of 120). And a separate xicount list. Or at least top tens. That would be gruesome.
Edit - I want pro rata scores for top potential octochamps like John Clarke and Helen Grayson.
The 9-rounder one is going to need a bit more thought to exclude people who had more than one run, so I'll come back to that one another day.
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1. Edward McCullagh 95 2. Julian Fell 94 3. Jack Hurst 91 4. Jonathan Rawlinson 89 4. Craig Beevers 89 6. Stewart Holden 86 7. Kirk Bevins 85 8. Chris Davies 84 9. David O'Donnell 82 10. Eoin Monaghan 81 11. Conor Travers 80 12. Graeme Cole 79 12. Chris Wills 79 14. George Greenhough 78 14. Oliver Garner 78 14. Adam Gillard 78 14. Paul Gallen 78 14. John Mayhew 78 19. Jack Welsby 77 20. Andrew Hulme 76 20. Paul Howe 76 20. Innis Carson 76 23. Peter Lee 75 24. Daniel Pati 74 25. Marcus Hares 73 26. Martin Bishop 72 26. Jimmy Gough 72 28. Tom Barnes 71 28. Ryan Taylor 71 30. Grace Page 70 30. Aaron Webber 70 30. Chris Cummins 70 33. Richard Heald 69 33. Jon Corby 69 35. Matthew Shore 68 35. Lee Hartley 68 37. Neil Zussman 67 37. Mark Deeks 67 37. Charlie Reams 67 37. Mark Tournoff 67 37. Steven Briers 67 37. Paul James 67 43. Jack Worsley 66 44. James Hurrell 65 44. Tom Rowell 65 44. Andy McGurn 65 44. John Brackstone 65 44. Jeffrey Hansford 65 49. Tom Hargreaves 64 49. Stuart Earl 64 51. Scott Gillies 63 51. John Hunt 63 53. Stuart Solomons 62 53. Wendy Roe 62 53. John Davies 62 53. Junaid Mubeen 62 57. Jon O'Neill 61 57. Jean Webby 61 59. Richard Brittain 60 59. Martin Gardner 60 59. Shane Roberts 60 62. Cate Henderson 59 62. Michael Bowden 59 62. Ross Allatt 59 62. Steven Moir 59 62. Jonathan Coles 59 62. John Gray 59 68. Mike Pullin 58 68. Stu Horsey 58 68. David Edwards 58 68. Brian Selway 58 72. Jim Bentley 57 72. Danny Hamilton 57 72. Liam Shaw 57 72. Keith Maynard 57 76. Nik Von Uexkull 56 77. Rupert Stokoe 55 78. Tim Reypert 54 78. Sweyn Kirkness 54 78. David Von Geyer 54 78. Jeffrey Burgin 54 82. James Roberts 53 82. Paul Keane 53 82. Kai Laddiman 53 82. Nick Wainwright 53 86. Ned Pendleton 52 86. Amey Deshpande 52 86. Jayne Wisniewski 52 89. Carl Williams 51 89. Michael Macdonald-Cooper 51 89. Dave Taylor 51 92. Judith Young 50 92. Gary Male 50 92. Julia Wilkinson 50 95. Danny Pledger 49 96. Tony Warren 48 97. James Doohan 46 98. Joe Zubaidi 44 99. Tia Corkish 43 99. Brenda Jolley 43 101. Chris Marshall 42 101. David Thirlwall 42 103. Steve Wood 37 103. Suzi Purcell 37 103. Chris McHenry 37
Would love to know how many rounds the last 16 of the 30th championships would have to max to beat this, as I reckon this record won't see out the week.Graeme Cole wrote:17. Six people have done this:
Allan Saldanha, with 17 consecutive maxes up to and including round 8 of a Supreme Championship semi-final;
Mark Tournoff, up to round 11 of the CoC XII final;
Craig Beevers, up to round 8 of Episode 4472;
Kirk Bevins, spanning three games up to round 1 of Episode 4771;
Jack Hurst, up to round 8 of the series 63 final;
Jonathan Rawlinson, up to round 10 of Episode 5505.
I've counted "maxing a round" as scoring the most points available in the round, so if someone's numbers solution is two away and they're not beaten, but the best is one away, that's still a maxed round. If you say that to max a numbers round you have to get the closest possible solution, that eliminates Allan Saldanha.
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In the audience for David Barnard's first game, someone came up with the answer WISDOMTOOTH from TWODOTHIS which amused me before I collected my mug with the correct answer.Graeme Cole wrote:14 players have buzzed in with a seven-letter word. Jimmy Gough is recorded as buzzing in with a six-letter answer, but I don't think we can count that. The longest conundrum answer was 12 letters, which was done four times: episodes M25, 1401, 3530 and 3744.Adam Gillard wrote:Graeme, what is the worst ever conundrum guess? Just came to mind with all this talk about HORSEMEAT at the moment, someone guessed ATMOSPHERE in the audience (10 letters) and I just noticed that in one of Darryl Francis's heat games his opponent went for a 7 (DEFTEST) when the solution was STEADFAST. So, basically, what's the shortest and longest word that a player has guessed for a conundrum? Also, if possible, what's the furthest removed from the actual solution that someone has guessed (probably OUBLIETTE -> GANDISEEG)?
The conundrum answer with fewest letters in common with the selection appears to be in the last round of a Masters game - FROTTIFY, which has two letters in common with the selection PRANGMAGI. No, I've got no idea what's going on there either.
GANDISEEG from ELITEBOUT is next with three common letters, and three conundrum answers had five letters in common with the answer: they're in episodes 856, 1007 and 5488.
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Boom.Ben Wilson wrote:No love for we lepers the viscounts?
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Ben Wilson 42 56.00
Loz Sands 42 56.00
Ian McMenzie 41 54.67
Phil Wass 41 54.67
Paul Ryan 31 41.33
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Excellent. And can we have the players who didn't complete octoruns because they ran out of games or stopped early (like John Clarke and Helen Grayson)? And also xicount totals - so totals from the 11 games of series winners. Actually it would be interesting to have people who had a high max rate but didn't quite make octochamp status. I imagine Darren Shacklady would have a high percentage.Graeme Cole wrote:Boom.Ben Wilson wrote:No love for we lepers the viscounts?
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I'm not sure how we can repay you for all this amazing information. Actually I think I saw you on Facebook the other day saying that you overuse the word "awesome" and that leaves you with nowhere to go when something is really awesome. Try "gruesome". It will give you a whole new lease of life. You're welcome.
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It was really interesting to see the list of most maxes for 15 round players. I wasn't surprised to see Ed McCullagh top at just shy of 12 per game. Sounds like a target!
The 9-rounder table is very interesting too. Not surprising to see Harvey Freeman at the top. Terry Knowles tied with him and he's another one who I thought was brilliant at the time and was disappointed that he didn't produce that form ever again.
Cos he was brilliant! Actually I probably expected Jack Hurst and Craig Beevers to be ahead, and didn't exepct Jonathan Rawlinson to be quite so high. Beevers was also pre-Apterous, so it's interesting that Apterous hasn't yet completely swamped the top of the leaderboard.Jon O'Neill wrote:Julian Fell getting 94/120 is disgusting. How? How!
This also stuck out to me. I thought he was really good at the time, and was very disappointed to see him lose to Joe Zubaidi, who hadn't done anything to suggest he might beat George before that game. It was a shame we never saw him in a CofC.Jon O'Neill wrote:Also George Greenhough seems like the unluckiest guy on here, to have such a shit QF performance when he was clearly the nuts.
The 9-rounder table is very interesting too. Not surprising to see Harvey Freeman at the top. Terry Knowles tied with him and he's another one who I thought was brilliant at the time and was disappointed that he didn't produce that form ever again.
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There's awesome, and then there's Graeme.Graeme Cole wrote:Boom.Ben Wilson wrote:No love for we lepers the viscounts?
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I was kinda hoping my suggestion of PROFITEROLE for PORTFOLIO was at least a joint record. I blame Dave Myers for that as he had me thinking about food all the time!Graeme Cole wrote:The longest conundrum answer was 12 letters, which was done four times
Graeme, can you please list the top ten Heptochamps of all time in order of total points scored in their 8 prelims and ideally give credit to the winner of the 8th game in each case?
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That last run was started with this absolute beauty when that guy wildly celebrated his conundrum solve that then turned out to be incorrect, will never forget that, haha.Graeme Cole wrote:Some episodes have more than one conundrum, so I'll take this as the greatest number of consecutive (un-)solved conundrums.Johnny Canuck wrote:What is the greatest number of consecutive episodes in which the conundrum has been correctly solved? What is the greatest number in which it has gone unsolved?
32 consecutive conundrums were solved during the Masters series between this episode and this episode. If we disregard Masters episodes, the longest streak of consecutive solves was 24, between episode 4094 and episode 4117, which spanned some of Jon Corby's and Tony Warren's heat games, the series 54 finals, and the first five games in CoC XII. The streak was only broken by the tricky conundrum SNOWFABLE.
The most consecutive unsolved conundrums is six, which has happened on three occasions: the conundrums up to and including episodes 261, 2103 and 5338.
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15 round series winners by round maxes out of 165:Gavin Chipper wrote:And also xicount totals - so totals from the 11 games of series winners.
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1. Edward McCullagh 130
2. Julian Fell 129
3. Jack Hurst 127
4. Craig Beevers 125
5. Kirk Bevins 121
6. Chris Davies 116
7. Conor Travers 114
7. Stewart Holden 114
9. Chris Wills 113
10. David O'Donnell 110
11. Oliver Garner 109
12. Graeme Cole 104
12. John Mayhew 104
14. Chris Cummins 101
15. Mark Tournoff 97
15. Paul James 97
17. Junaid Mubeen 94
18. Jack Worsley 92
19. John Davies 88
20. Richard Brittain 80
21. Nick Wainwright 77
22. Ben Wilson 72 (59/135 scaled up)
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15 round heptochamps by 8-game score:Grant Waters wrote:I was kinda hoping my suggestion of PROFITEROLE for PORTFOLIO was at least a joint record. I blame Dave Myers for that as he had me thinking about food all the time!Graeme Cole wrote:The longest conundrum answer was 12 letters, which was done four times
Graeme, can you please list the top ten Heptochamps of all time in order of total points scored in their 8 prelims and ideally give credit to the winner of the 8th game in each case?
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1. Steve Baines 758 Grant Woods
2. David Nickeas 756 Danny Hamilton
3. David Franks 744 Lee Hartley
4. Anita Freeland 742 Jon Young
5. Niall Young 726 Greg Hayhurst
6. Grant Waters 722 Andy Rossall
7. Michael Chadwick 706 Andrew Greenway
8. Peter Godwin 705 Lee Palmer
9. Joy Longworth 699 Andrew Laycock
10. Christine Armstrong 693 Douglas Clark
10. John Jeffrey 693 Sean Jessop
12. Vivienne Mead 682 Ganesh (Subrahmanyam)
13. Mikey Lear 680 Martin May
14. Peter Coutts 662 David Stainer
15. Dundas Keating 661 John Holland
16. Nikki Roberts 655 Anne Haley
17. Andrew Blades 650 Stu Horsey
18. Barry Smith 648 Bob O'Keefe
19. David Butcher 620 Clive Barham
20. Dave Wilkinson 618 Barry Watson
21. Peter Zyss 617 Claudia Tyson
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Here's a good one- of all the rematches there have been on the show, which one had the greatest difference (in terms of winning margin) from the original result?
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Presumably if it's 100-50 and then 50-100 (the other person wins), it's a difference of 100, not 0?Ben Wilson wrote:Here's a good one- of all the rematches there have been on the show, which one had the greatest difference (in terms of winning margin) from the original result?
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In series 30, Ben Cooke ended Sue Renwick's run in her sixth game, winning 60-26. They met again in the quarter-finals, and this time Sue Renwick won 56-24. This was a 66-point difference between the two margins.Ben Wilson wrote:Here's a good one- of all the rematches there have been on the show, which one had the greatest difference (in terms of winning margin) from the original result?
The second biggest margin difference is 57. In series 28, Damian Eadie lost 59-26 to Suzanne Miles, but beat her 59-35 in the CoC VII semi-final the following year.
At the other extreme, in series 5, Sarah Hadaway and Colin Pearce drew 55-55. In the rematch the following day, Colin Pearce won 53-52.
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Can you list all 15-round octochamps in order of total winning margins over eight games? Possibly the number of points accumulated by their opponents too but I'm more interested in the former. Thanks.
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Benedict is the statistician on Sky Sports cricket coverage.Graeme Cole wrote:Whassat? Pope? Cumberbatch? Eggs?Mark Deeks wrote:I wonder if there's any possible screen time for Countdown's version of Benedict.
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Thanks Graeme! I'm loving this threadGraeme Cole wrote:14 players have buzzed in with a seven-letter word. Jimmy Gough is recorded as buzzing in with a six-letter answer, but I don't think we can count that. The longest conundrum answer was 12 letters, which was done four times: episodes M25, 1401, 3530 and 3744.Adam Gillard wrote:Graeme, what is the worst ever conundrum guess? Just came to mind with all this talk about HORSEMEAT at the moment, someone guessed ATMOSPHERE in the audience (10 letters) and I just noticed that in one of Darryl Francis's heat games his opponent went for a 7 (DEFTEST) when the solution was STEADFAST. So, basically, what's the shortest and longest word that a player has guessed for a conundrum? Also, if possible, what's the furthest removed from the actual solution that someone has guessed (probably OUBLIETTE -> GANDISEEG)?
The conundrum answer with fewest letters in common with the selection appears to be in the last round of a Masters game - FROTTIFY, which has two letters in common with the selection PRANGMAGI. No, I've got no idea what's going on there either.
GANDISEEG from ELITEBOUT is next with three common letters, and three conundrum answers had five letters in common with the answer: they're in episodes 856, 1007 and 5488.
I have to admit I had a cheeky giggle too - some of them seem to have been pioneers for the Unlimited variant!Andy Platt wrote:I know it was a dickish thing to do but I was laughing so hard at those 12-letter guesses. Love it.
Mike Brown: "Round 12: T N R S A E I G U
C1: SIGNATURE (18) ["9; not written down"]
C2: SEATING (7)
Score: 108–16 (max 113)
Another niner for Adam and yet another century. Well done, that man."
C1: SIGNATURE (18) ["9; not written down"]
C2: SEATING (7)
Score: 108–16 (max 113)
Another niner for Adam and yet another century. Well done, that man."
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Maxes, round counts, and percentage for potential octochamps. Only prelims are considered. Some players (e.g. Cathy Morgan) are missing some round details, and Philip Nelkon is completely omitted as we don't know about any of his prelims. I've only considered those rounds where we know the player's score and the max.Gavin Chipper wrote:Excellent. And can we have the players who didn't complete octoruns because they ran out of games or stopped early (like John Clarke and Helen Grayson)?
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1. Helen Grayson 44/63 69.84
2. John Clarke 23/37 62.16
3. Wayne Kelly 29/54 53.70
4. Esther Byers 19/36 52.78
5. Anthony Butcher 13/27 48.15
5. Mark Preston 13/27 48.15
7. Pat Hynes 16/36 44.44
7. Jim Ainsworth 20/45 44.44
7. Julian Hough 12/27 44.44
10. Frank Mulvey 31/75 41.33
11. Cathy Morgan 26/63 41.27
12. Alan Payne 21/54 38.89
13. Eleanor Crosby 17/45 37.78
14. Vicki McCarthy 10/27 37.04
15. Geraldine Hylands 22/63 34.92
16. Derek Stuart-Clark 18/54 33.33
16. Andrew Loheide 12/36 33.33
18. Dennis Fearon 11/36 30.56
19. Elizabeth Thomson 8/27 29.63
20. Michael Stephenson 10/36 27.78
21. Kathleen Vickers 9/36 25.00
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Who has faced the most impossible numbers games? How about impossible to get within ten also?
Awesome thread by three way.
Awesome thread by three way.
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Thanks Graeme. So Helen Grayson's max rate was indeed slighter higher than Harvey Freeman's as had been suspected.
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15-round octochamps in order of aggregate winning margin in prelims:Jack Worsley wrote:Can you list all 15-round octochamps in order of total winning margins over eight games? Possibly the number of points accumulated by their opponents too but I'm more interested in the former. Thanks.
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1. Eoin Monaghan 544
2. Edward McCullagh 535
3. Jack Hurst 534
4. Craig Beevers 528
5. Andrew Hulme 523
6. Kirk Bevins 508
7. David O'Donnell 503
7. Jonathan Rawlinson 503
9. Adam Gillard 477
10. Julian Fell 474
11. Tom Barnes 469
12. Stewart Holden 461
13. Chris Davies 454
14. Conor Travers 446
15. Matthew Shore 441
16. Chris Cummins 431
17. Daniel Pati 422
18. Marcus Hares 421
19. Innis Carson 405
20. Jon Corby 403
21. Aaron Webber 401
21. Scott Gillies 401
23. Lee Hartley 399
24. James Hurrell 393
25. Tim Reypert 390
26. Jack Worsley 389
27. George Greenhough 387
28. Paul Gallen 377
29. Chris Wills 366
30. Graeme Cole 363
31. Keith Maynard 361
32. Brian Selway 358
33. Mark Tournoff 357
34. Steven Briers 356
35. Stuart Solomons 355
36. John Mayhew 354
37. Jeffrey Hansford 341
38. John Brackstone 339
39. David Barnard 338
40. Cate Henderson 337
40. Jon O'Neill 337
40. Junaid Mubeen 337
40. Mark Deeks 337
44. Charlie Reams 336
44. Oliver Garner 336
46. Jonathan Coles 334
47. Peter Lee 329
48. Jack Welsby 328
48. Paul Howe 328
50. John Hunt 320
51. Paul Keane 318
52. Richard Heald 314
53. Martin Gardner 313
53. Paul James 313
55. Martin Bishop 309
56. Grace Page 304
57. John Gray 299
58. Tom Hargreaves 295
59. Sweyn Kirkness 293
60. Mike Pullin 290
61. Wendy Roe 288
62. Danny Hamilton 287
63. Heather Styles 285
64. Richard Brittain 284
65. Michael Macdonald-Cooper 280
65. Stuart Earl 280
67. Ryan Taylor 277
68. Jimmy Gough 272
69. Shane Roberts 260
70. Jean Webby 254
71. Tom Rowell 253
72. James Roberts 251
72. Kai Laddiman 251
74. Nik Von Uexkull 247
75. Gary Male 240
75. Neil Zussman 240
77. Jim Bentley 237
77. Kevin Thurlow 237
79. Ross Allatt 236
80. Judith Young 235
80. Stu Horsey 235
82. Suzi Purcell 232
83. Michael Bowden 225
84. Carl Williams 223
85. James Doohan 221
86. Tia Corkish 219
87. John Davies 218
88. Julia Wilkinson 211
88. Rupert Stokoe 211
90. Brenda Jolley 210
91. Andy McGurn 209
92. Tony Warren 207
93. Steven Moir 206
94. Amey Deshpande 201
95. Nick Wainwright 195
96. Chris Marshall 189
97. David Von Geyer 185
98. Richard Pay 184
98. Rose Boyle 184
100. Jayne Wisniewski 182
101. Ned Pendleton 172
102. Dave Taylor 164
102. Liam Shaw 164
104. Jeffrey Burgin 162
105. David Thirlwall 155
106. Danny Pledger 152
106. David Edwards 152
108. Steve Wood 150
109. Joe Zubaidi 120
110. Chris McHenry 95
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1. Jonathan Rawlinson 347
2. Tom Barnes 353
3. Eoin Monaghan 354
4. Edward McCullagh 361
5. Aaron Webber 372
6. David O'Donnell 377
7. Craig Beevers 379
8. Tim Reypert 383
9. Brian Selway 388
10. Andrew Hulme 407
11. Matthew Shore 409
11. Scott Gillies 409
11. Stewart Holden 409
14. Jack Hurst 412
14. Jonathan Coles 412
14. Lee Hartley 412
17. Marcus Hares 413
18. Kirk Bevins 417
19. Daniel Pati 418
20. Keith Maynard 424
21. Adam Gillard 426
21. Paul Keane 426
23. Chris Cummins 427
24. Jack Worsley 429
25. George Greenhough 430
26. David Barnard 433
26. Martin Gardner 433
28. Chris Davies 438
29. Stuart Solomons 441
30. Conor Travers 444
31. Cate Henderson 445
31. James Hurrell 445
33. Graeme Cole 450
33. Julian Fell 450
35. Heather Styles 452
35. Mark Tournoff 452
37. Jon Corby 453
37. Junaid Mubeen 453
39. Suzi Purcell 454
40. Innis Carson 456
41. John Mayhew 457
42. John Gray 458
43. Mike Pullin 466
43. Oliver Garner 466
45. Jon O'Neill 467
46. John Hunt 468
47. Paul Gallen 469
48. Judith Young 472
48. Peter Lee 472
48. Sweyn Kirkness 472
51. Danny Hamilton 474
52. Jeffrey Hansford 477
53. Tia Corkish 478
54. James Doohan 481
54. Paul James 481
54. Richard Heald 481
57. Danny Pledger 483
57. John Brackstone 483
59. Charlie Reams 484
59. Jean Webby 484
61. Carl Williams 485
61. James Roberts 485
63. Mark Deeks 487
63. Paul Howe 487
63. Steven Briers 487
66. Ned Pendleton 492
67. Andy McGurn 493
67. Chris Marshall 493
67. Wendy Roe 493
70. Stu Horsey 497
71. Martin Bishop 500
71. Michael Macdonald-Cooper 500
73. Nik Von Uexkull 502
74. Jack Welsby 503
75. Kai Laddiman 505
75. Ross Allatt 505
75. Tony Warren 505
78. Shane Roberts 506
79. Brenda Jolley 508
80. Chris Wills 509
81. Gary Male 510
81. Jimmy Gough 510
83. Michael Bowden 514
84. Ryan Taylor 515
85. Amey Deshpande 517
85. Rose Boyle 517
87. Jim Bentley 519
88. Tom Rowell 521
89. Jayne Wisniewski 523
89. Jeffrey Burgin 523
91. Grace Page 525
91. Steve Wood 525
93. Dave Taylor 527
93. Stuart Earl 527
95. Neil Zussman 528
96. Nick Wainwright 531
97. Kevin Thurlow 532
98. Julia Wilkinson 533
99. Richard Brittain 536
100. David Von Geyer 539
101. Liam Shaw 544
102. Joe Zubaidi 545
103. Chris McHenry 548
103. John Davies 548
103. Richard Pay 548
106. David Thirlwall 549
107. Tom Hargreaves 555
108. Steven Moir 557
109. Rupert Stokoe 565
110. David Edwards 585
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Impossible to get 10 points: Martin Bishop had six, Jack Welsby had five, ten people had four, and loads more people have had fewer.Thomas Carey wrote:Who has faced the most impossible numbers games? How about impossible to get within ten also?
Impossible to get any points: Sweyn Kirkness had three, John Mitchell had two (in only four games), and loads of people have had one.
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Which person who lost their first game got the most maxes?
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For both 9 and 15 rounds please.Jon O'Neill wrote:Which person who lost their first game got the most maxes?
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I didn't think this thread would take off like it has but I'm impressed with Graeme's relentless work here. I do hope it's not taking up all your spare time though! Some really interesting stats coming out of this too. I like the winning margins one with Eoin top and it's testament to Ed how good a player he is that he is surfacing top in a lot of the high calibre categories.
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If I may thank Graeme Almighty for his answer to my previous question and throw another one out there...
What are the most frequently offered niners?
What are the most frequently offered niners?
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I am loving this thread, very informative.
Has there ever been a show which has containing more than one numbers game in which is was impossible to get within ten?
Has there ever been a show which has containing more than one numbers game in which is was impossible to get within ten?
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How come Graeme didn't answer my question?Andy McGurn wrote:Question: At CO events numbers rounds can be awkward when you have to use those flimsy numbers thingys to get a target which can sometimes be 081 or something, so my question to Graeme is this: Could you make at least 10 more of those electronic numbers gadgets of yours and bring them to future CO events so all tables can have one?
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Wow. Thanks Graeme! You are clearly the datameister!Graeme Cole wrote:Code: Select all
HEPTOCHAMP HEPTOTAL THWARTER 1. Steve Baines 758 Grant Woods 2. David Nickeas 756 Danny Hamilton 3. David Franks 744 Lee Hartley 4. Anita Freeland 742 Jon Young 5. Niall Young 726 Greg Hayhurst 6. Grant Waters 722 Andy Rossall 7. Michael Chadwick 706 Andrew Greenway 8. Peter Godwin 705 Lee Palmer 9. Joy Longworth 699 Andrew Laycock 10. Christine Armstrong 693 Douglas Clark 10. John Jeffrey 693 Sean Jessop 12. Vivienne Mead 682 Ganesh (Subrahmanyam) 13. Mikey Lear 680 Martin May 14. Peter Coutts 662 David Stainer 15. Dundas Keating 661 John Holland 16. Nikki Roberts 655 Anne Haley 17. Andrew Blades 650 Stu Horsey 18. Barry Smith 648 Bob O'Keefe 19. David Butcher 620 Clive Barham 20. Dave Wilkinson 618 Barry Watson 21. Peter Zyss 617 Claudia Tyson
Looking through those names and cross referencing them against the wiki uncovers lots of interesting stories. I love clicking through the wiki and reading all about the champions from previous series.
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HEPTOCHAMP HEPTOTAL THWARTER Crucial Series Wins Comment
1. Steve Baines 758 Grant Woods NO 57 1 Grant was beaten by Octochamp Jeffrey Hansford who Steve also met in his SF
2. David Nickeas 756 Danny Hamilton YES 48 8 Danny was beaten by Julian Fell with THAT 146 game!
3. David Franks 744 Lee Hartley NO 47 8 David Franks did NOT make the quarter finals!
4. Anita Freeland 742 Jon Young YES 56 1 Anita was arguably the most successful heptochamp losing in the final on the crucial
5. Niall Young 726 Greg Hayhurst YES 63 5 Niall was actually in the lead in his Octogame in every round until the crucial which Greg got in 1 second!
6. Grant Waters 722 Andy Rossall NO 67 2 Andy was beaten by Ocvtochamp Liam Shaw
7. Michael Chadwick 706 Andrew Greenway YES 63 1 Andrew was beaten by Octochamp Jack Hurst and his win over Michael was with the lowest ever winning score of 47.
8. Peter Godwin 705 Lee Palmer NO 63 1 Peter finished 9th in the seeding but played in the QFs as Michael Chadwick was unavailable.
9. Joy Longworth 699 Andrew Laycock YES 55 5 Just like Niall, Joy was in the lead in every round of her octogame but lost to Andrew when he buzzed on 2 seconds.
10. Christine Armstrong 693 Douglas Clark YES 54 1 Both Christine's Octogame and Douglas's next game were crucials.
3 of these heptochamps were in the same series (63) and so many of them were decided on crucial conundrums!
Thanks again Graeme. But a big shout out to all who contribute to the wiki as that is an awesome resource too.
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The list of total maxes that octochamps and champions achieved is an excelent tool, and it's been said before that number of maxes is the best way to judge performance. But obviously it doesn't tell the whole story. If the max is an 8 and one contestant has a 7 and the other a 6, maxes won't make any distinction. I think the best way would be to come up with some scoring system based on someone picking the nth best word. So if the max is 8 and there are three 8s, then 7 would be the 4th best.
Obviously only the best words (and the contestants' offerings) are recorded in the database, so it can't be used to score rounds in this way, but I was wondering if there was some approximate rule of thumb that can be used to calculate the likely number of words of each length based on the length of the max, and how many words there are at that length.
Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
Obviously only the best words (and the contestants' offerings) are recorded in the database, so it can't be used to score rounds in this way, but I was wondering if there was some approximate rule of thumb that can be used to calculate the likely number of words of each length based on the length of the max, and how many words there are at that length.
Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
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Who had the fewest and most nines available in their octoruns?
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I think I ought to rather belatedly add my praise for Graeme to this thread. The amount of data pulled out and the speed with which it's been done is astonishing. I also think that a few years ago this thread would not have flourished in quite the same way and that is probably down to the apterous effect! It's also slightly surreal to see my 'olde worlde' notes being used in such a super-high-tech-Graeme-like fashion, but very enjoyable and informative nonetheless. And, yet again, I'm reminded that I failed to take note of much of Series 7 and Clive Freedman's legendary octorun. Sorry.
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I asked Graeme about this a while ago and I seem to recall they're quite a bit of work to put together (this may be a false memory) and buying ten would probably cost quite a few quid. Having said all this, maybe several of us could buy and build one and donate it to the Co-event cause. I'd certainly be willing as long as it doesn't involve super-skills. Next: conundrum buzzers!Andy McGurn wrote:How come Graeme didn't answer my question?Andy McGurn wrote:Question: At CO events numbers rounds can be awkward when you have to use those flimsy numbers thingys to get a target which can sometimes be 081 or something, so my question to Graeme is this: Could you make at least 10 more of those electronic numbers gadgets of yours and bring them to future CO events so all tables can have one?
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In 15-round games, three people lost their debut with ten maxes. They are David Morgans, Paul Lyne and Christine Smith.Jon O'Neill wrote:Which person who lost their first game got the most maxes?
In 9-round games, Tom Bradshaw and Gareth Fuller both lost their debuts with seven maxes.
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RELATIONS is the clear winner, having been offered 18 times. Then it's DELATIONS with 9, ORDINATES with 8 and IDOLATERS and CREATIONS with 7.Johnny Canuck wrote:What are the most frequently offered niners?
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I can only do the first bit. For each letters round the database stores the most points available, but I didn't make it store what words were available.Gavin Chipper wrote:Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
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MAX FREQ
3 2 0.0043%
4 44 0.095%
5 825 1.78%
6 6720 14.54%
7 20058 43.39%
8 15977 34.57%
9 2596 5.62%
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15 rounds: Richard Heald and Chris Wills respectively.Andy Platt wrote:Who had the fewest and most nines available in their octoruns?
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Chris Wills 4 12
Andrew Hulme 7 11
Julia Wilkinson 3 11
Dave Taylor 2 11
Tony Warren 2 10
Adam Gillard 4 9
Jeffrey Burgin 4 9
Amey Deshpande 4 9
Ryan Taylor 3 9
Chris Cummins 3 9
David Thirlwall 2 9
Judith Young 0 9
Kirk Bevins 5 8
John Brackstone 4 8
Steven Briers 4 8
Tom Barnes 3 8
James Hurrell 3 8
Keith Maynard 2 8
Ross Allatt 2 8
John Davies 1 8
Brenda Jolley 1 8
Stu Horsey 0 8
Jack Hurst 6 7
Eoin Monaghan 5 7
Matthew Shore 4 7
Stewart Holden 4 7
Marcus Hares 3 7
Gary Male 3 7
Aaron Webber 2 7
Jack Worsley 2 7
Mike Pullin 2 7
Scott Gillies 2 7
Stuart Solomons 2 7
Richard Brittain 2 7
Cate Henderson 1 7
Nik Von Uexkull 1 7
Michael Bowden 1 7
Steven Moir 1 7
Tia Corkish 1 7
Heather Styles 1 7
Nick Wainwright 0 7
Julian Fell 5 6
Jeffrey Hansford 4 6
David Barnard 4 6
Jimmy Gough 4 6
Charlie Reams 3 6
Jon Corby 2 6
Wendy Roe 2 6
Tim Reypert 2 6
Carl Williams 2 6
Jon O'Neill 2 6
Junaid Mubeen 2 6
Jonathan Coles 2 6
Conor Travers 2 6
Jean Webby 1 6
Paul James 1 6
James Roberts 1 6
Suzi Purcell 0 6
Martin Gardner 0 6
Peter Lee 4 5
Innis Carson 4 5
Chris Davies 4 5
John Mayhew 2 5
Jayne Wisniewski 2 5
Chris Marshall 1 5
Shane Roberts 1 5
Mark Deeks 1 5
Rupert Stokoe 1 5
Rose Boyle 1 5
Jack Welsby 1 5
Mark Tournoff 1 5
James Doohan 0 5
Andy McGurn 0 5
Paul Keane 0 5
David Von Geyer 0 5
Daniel Pati 4 4
Michael Macdonald-Cooper 4 4
Jonathan Rawlinson 3 4
Oliver Garner 3 4
John Hunt 3 4
Graeme Cole 3 4
Paul Gallen 2 4
Tom Hargreaves 2 4
Stuart Earl 2 4
Grace Page 2 4
David O'Donnell 1 4
Ned Pendleton 1 4
Richard Pay 1 4
Steve Wood 0 4
Joe Zubaidi 0 4
Brian Selway 0 4
Liam Shaw 0 4
John Gray 0 4
Edward McCullagh 3 3
George Greenhough 2 3
Neil Zussman 2 3
Kai Laddiman 2 3
Kevin Thurlow 2 3
David Edwards 1 3
Lee Hartley 1 3
Martin Bishop 1 3
Paul Howe 1 3
Chris McHenry 1 3
Danny Pledger 0 3
Craig Beevers 2 2
Tom Rowell 1 2
Danny Hamilton 1 2
Sweyn Kirkness 1 2
Jim Bentley 0 2
Richard Heald 1 1
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Scott Mearns 4 5
John Hadfield 1 5
Lawrence Pearse 0 5
Maria Boyes 2 4
David Ballheimer 1 4
David Trace 0 4
Lew Schwarz 0 4
David Williams 3 3
Simon Cooper 2 3
Jonathan Anstey 2 3
Suzanne Miles 1 3
Nic Brown 1 3
Kate Ogilvie 1 3
Graham Nash 1 3
Norman Christian 1 3
Harvey Freeman 1 3
Terence O'Farrell 1 3
Glynn Leaney 1 3
Phil Jordan 0 3
Melvin Hetherington 0 3
Satbir Gupta 0 3
Sanjay Mazumder 0 3
Kevin McMahon 2 2
Richard Evans 1 2
Chris Waddington 1 2
David Acton 1 2
Dag Griffiths 1 2
Natascha Kearsey 1 2
Allan Saldanha 1 2
Gareth Williams 1 2
Derek Coombs 1 2
Steve Williams 0 2
Don Reid 0 2
Richard Campbell 0 2
Anthony Jenkin 0 2
Bhavin Manek 0 2
Lucy Roberts 1 1
Jon Marsh 1 1
Margaret Foster 1 1
Tim Morrissey 1 1
John Wallace 0 1
William Bradford 0 1
Dick Green 0 1
Peter Hutchings 0 1
Terry Knowles 0 1
Stephen Deakin 0 1
Michael Calder 0 1
Ray McPhie 0 1
James Martin 0 1
Darryl Francis 0 0
Mark Nyman 0 0
Clive Freedman 0 0
Lindsay Denyer 0 0
Sharon Bridge 0 0
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Thank you, you sexy man.
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The whole thing probably costs in the region of £20 to make. It consists of a PIC microcontroller, a 7-segment display module and miscellaneous bits like the case, button, batteries, voltage regulator, on/off switch and so on. Making ten of these things, as Mike says, is a significant task and probably not worth saving the extra few seconds it takes to spin the flimsy mechanical thing again.Mike Brown wrote:I asked Graeme about this a while ago and I seem to recall they're quite a bit of work to put together (this may be a false memory) and buying ten would probably cost quite a few quid. Having said all this, maybe several of us could buy and build one and donate it to the Co-event cause. I'd certainly be willing as long as it doesn't involve super-skills. Next: conundrum buzzers!Andy McGurn wrote:How come Graeme didn't answer my question?Andy McGurn wrote:Question: At CO events numbers rounds can be awkward when you have to use those flimsy numbers thingys to get a target which can sometimes be 081 or something, so my question to Graeme is this: Could you make at least 10 more of those electronic numbers gadgets of yours and bring them to future CO events so all tables can have one?
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Which contestant(s) with at least one wine has the highest loss:win ratio?
Which contestant(s) have the most consecutive losses?
Could you give a leaderboard of players scoring in most consecutive rounds?
Which contestant(s) have the most consecutive losses?
Could you give a leaderboard of players scoring in most consecutive rounds?
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I'm expecting this to take far too much time and effort to be worthwhile answering, but on the off-chance.
Are there lucky omens in Dictionary Corner? i.e. - does one produce the highest average scores, and does one (excluding finals week obviously) preside over more future series champions in their heats than anyone else?
Are there lucky omens in Dictionary Corner? i.e. - does one produce the highest average scores, and does one (excluding finals week obviously) preside over more future series champions in their heats than anyone else?
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Who's used the most phantom letters in a letters round?
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Which contestants have done the unholy Trinity of declaring an invalid word for the wrong length whilst using phantom letters?
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Top 5 sexiest contestants ever?
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I'll echo everyone's comments to say that this thread, and Graeme's work herein, is most impressive.
Inspired by the nominative similarities between Kirk Bevins and Sweyn Kirkness, what string of four consecutive characters was won the most episodes of Countdown? Do the collective "John"s catch up with the "Kirk"s? (I'll guess almost certainly.)
Inspired by the nominative similarities between Kirk Bevins and Sweyn Kirkness, what string of four consecutive characters was won the most episodes of Countdown? Do the collective "John"s catch up with the "Kirk"s? (I'll guess almost certainly.)
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What were these words, and how did the contestants do?Graeme Cole wrote:I can only do the first bit. For each letters round the database stores the most points available, but I didn't make it store what words were available.Gavin Chipper wrote:Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
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Who gave the worst winning performance?
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There's probably a lot worse but I remember one of my opponents (Colin Costello) suggesting CAPSICUM from MEICPBSUN.Jack Worsley wrote:Who's used the most phantom letters in a letters round?
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I remember. Didn't he declare it as a seven as well (don't think the wiki states words declared of the wrong length unless it's the only reason why the word was disallowed)?Grant Waters wrote:There's probably a lot worse but I remember one of my opponents (Colin Costello) suggesting CAPSICUM from MEICPBSUN.Jack Worsley wrote:Who's used the most phantom letters in a letters round?
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Yes. He declared 7.
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The problem with this one is that for each letters offering in the database, I've got just one "adjudication" column, which has a number in it. If on the wiki page a disallowed word had the NWD (not written down) template then it's 3; otherwise, if it had the "misdeclared" template it's a negative number representing the number declared; otherwise, if it uses letters not in the selection it's 2; and if none of those apply then it assumes the word was unacceptable so it uses 1. And if the word was fine then it's 0. It doesn't have a concept of a word being disallowed for more than one reason.Conor wrote:Which contestants have done the unholy Trinity of declaring an invalid word for the wrong length whilst using phantom letters?
However, I happened to recall this post, which, although not corroborated by the wiki page, suggests it's been done at least once.
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Round 7 in this game and round 2 in this game.Peter Mabey wrote:What were these words, and how did the contestants do?Graeme Cole wrote:I can only do the first bit. For each letters round the database stores the most points available, but I didn't make it store what words were available.Gavin Chipper wrote:Edit - Something that the database probably could answer - what is the break down of probabilities of each length of word being the max, and for each length, what is the average number of words of the max length?
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Bruce Lambert won one game and lost three.JackHurst wrote:Which contestant(s) with at least one wine has the highest loss:win ratio?
Olivia Lloyd-Potts with five.JackHurst wrote:Which contestant(s) have the most consecutive losses?
If the max for a round was zero (numbers game where it's impossible to get within 10) I've counted that as a scoring round for the purpose of this statistic. Also this one is fiddly to work out, which is why I've not got a huge table.JackHurst wrote:Could you give a leaderboard of players scoring in most consecutive rounds?
David O'Donnell had a streak of 84 consecutive scoring rounds starting in round 1 of his fourth game and ending in round 10 in his quarter-final.
Tom Hargreaves is next - from the very start of his run he scored in 52 consecutive rounds before he was eventually beaten by OUTBID in his fourth game.
Chris Davies is just behind on 51, in a streak that ended in round 1 here.
Conor Travers had a run of 49 scoring rounds, ending with round 4 here.
Adam Gillard is next with 45 - this ended in round 3 in this game.
Lucy Roberts also scored in 45 consecutive rounds, ending with round 8 in this game.
Kirk Bevins got a streak of 44 ending in round 14 in this game.
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Have there ever been any declarations on Countdown that would be pencils on Apterous today? So, valid as maxes, valid in ODE3 now, still unpencilled.
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No-one ever completes their octochamp run like this nowadays. More's the pity!tomrowell wrote:Who gave the worst winning performance?
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As an extension:Mark Deeks wrote:Have there ever been any declarations on Countdown that would be pencils on Apterous today? So, valid as maxes, valid in ODE3 now, still unpencilled.
Have there been any declarations (during 15 round Countdown) that had a) never come up on the show before and b) were pencils at the time on apterous, i.e. the contestant knew the word from life or, if an apterite, had never offered it before as a max.
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I recall there being two during rounds 6 and 8 of our own stat master's debut game.Kirk Bevins wrote:As an extension:
Have there been any declarations (during 15 round Countdown) that had a) never come up on the show before and b) were pencils at the time on apterous, i.e. the contestant knew the word from life or, if an apterite, had never offered it before as a max.
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