ARGUMENTS - PART 2
Charlie Reams - Where on EARTH did you get £26,000,000? It's is expensive, because of the fact that First Past The Post was around £20,000,000 and that's not going to help us in the recovery (started by the Conservatives).
The extremist parties are not just "the other ones". Take a place in Northern England last year which nearly went to the British National Party. The voters said, "It wasn't tactical voting - we really wanted the British National Party!" But if I see them getting 25% of the vote and getting in under FPTP, under AV people will want to vote more tactically - as all the Labour supporters will make preferences for all the parties and the Conservatives are last. If everyone ganged up on the Conservatives, then they would be eliminated after Round 1 and that's not good as everyone should have an equal chance.
Well, ignoring all of your stuff, the simplest explanation is what the No2AV campaign have given. There is no denying that it is more complicated than FPTP, but the No2AV campaign gave the simplest explanation and it came out as VERY COMPLICATED. Under AV, it takes 3-4 minutes to explain, but First Past The Post can be described in 3 words - Most. Votes. Wins.
I've read it and it's a load of bullshit. I DON'T CARE ABOUT TURKEYS AT CHRISTMAS!
Craig Beevers - Yes, the Liberal Democrats would gain the most seats (theoretically) as I often ask my parents "If they didn't exist, then who would you vote for?" and the answer most people would give to that question is Liberal Democrats. As said before, the Liberal Democrats would end up with a 326-seat majority. Tactical voting - See above.
Liam Tiernan - You could have a very low population and you waste your chance to change the future of Great Britain. AV will end up with Party 3 becoming MP.
Gavin Chipper - The problems with dictatorship are best explained in 5 words - The Middle East, except Bahrain.
Martin Bishop - Ed Milliband is not a very good leader for the Labour party, especially for the government. He looked a bit shocked when he won, but if he becomes Prime Minister we may have to call an Ambulance.
You don't make any sense with Abbott or no Abbott whatsoever. Honourable Labour members would not vote tactically.
Lesley Hines - Seen it, the BBC are biased towards the Yes campaign. They attacked 2 members of the No campaign live on BBC News.
Mike Brown - Isn't the BBC the only service without a +1?
Michael Wallace -
Ryan Taylor -
Charlie Reams - Don't forget a majority Labour or Liberal Democrat government!
Ben Hunter - Why?
Martin Long - Please clarify!
Charlie Reams - My thoughts exactly.
Gavin Chipper - Coming right up.
Peter Mabey - Well, the point about the A v B v C is not very clear, so the preferences are C, A, B (ha ha).
Why that? If supporting AV is not fair, why support it?
Nothing that AV can solve with your paid but abolished.
Charlie Reams - He understands your post.
Yes, I could have said that, but I need proof, back up, and I'm trying to win a bet with Ben Hunter here!
Michael Wallace - Part 1 is here for a reason. I read it and I find it insane. The fact that we're having a referendum is well known. The No2AV campaign don't want change and so attack AV, just as Labour attacked the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives last year. Duh.
Oliver Garner - A very sensible website. I feel that the page about fairness shows that 2010 is the only election since 1997 where AV would be better. That's 1 in every 4 elections. The coalitions argument would mean that in 1997, 2001 and 2005 certainly, there would have been a coalition under AV.
Mike Brown - Did I say disagree? I reworded that to say that I supported your No vote and that's the bit I'm agreeing with.
Charlie Reams - The website, as far as I'm aware, only mentions PR and STV once.
Graeme Cole -
Graeme Cole wrote:Okay, I'll bite
Ouch!
The first lap is like an exit poll. It shows likeliness but not the actual result. Only under AV (in this case, the stewards) is the result changed after the result is declared. It's said, done, but utterly time consuming and unfair.
People minds' don't change that quickly, and 3 people wanted Coffee shop! It doesn't matter who wanted which pub, it's the same as which party do we use?
AV gives some people, effectively, more than 1 vote. Redirection is not 1 vote.
Hmmm... that was a silly comment, but I'll take it.
I need to go to school, so I'll be back later.