Apterous FA Cup

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:38 pm

Well, since a lot of tourneys have been created recently, I decided to do one.

If I can take 124 (

) people, I will be

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If I can take 84 people, I will be

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If I can take 64 people, I will be

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If I take 32 people, I will be

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If I take 16 people, I will be

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If I take 8, I will be

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If I take 4, I will be

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If I take 2, I will be

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And If I take 1, I will be

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Yeah....

Single 15 rounder in English.

Oh, and in true FA Cup tradition, the 44 highest players on ProRanks will get a bye into the 3rd round.

EDIT: I will be there if you need an extra number.

Entrants (36)
Joseph Krol - Torquay United
Thomas Carey - Millwall
Dan Abrey - Oxford United
James Bradley - West Bromwich Albion
Ben Wilson - Burnley
Matt Morrison - Blackburn Rovers
Ian Dent - Manchester City
James Robinson - Leeds United

Martin Long - Scunthorpe - Round 5 v Graeme Cole still to be played.
Thomas Cappleman - Rotherham
James Hall - Bradford
Jamie French - Bury
Chris Davies - Gillingham
Ian Volante - Reading - Round 5 v Kirk Bevins still to be played.
Mark James - Wolverhampton Wanderers
Edwin Mead - Milton Keynes Dons
Graeme Cole - Leicester - Round 5 still to be played v Martin Long.
Oliver Garner - Bristol Rovers
Adam Gillard - Tottenham Hotspur
Martyn Simpson - Hyde
Gavin Chipper - Crystal Palace
Eoin Monaghan - Hereford - Round 5 still to be played v Milo McKenzie.
Kai Laddiman - Derby County
Karen Pearson - Halesowen Town
Ned Pendleton - Burton Albion
Milo McKenzie - Notts County - Round 5 still to be played v Eoin Monaghan.
Phil Collinge - Stockport County
James Levison - Brentford
Niall Seymour - Swindon
Tracy Mills - Lincoln
Jayne Wisniewski - Hull City
Kirk Bevins - Newcastle United - Round 5 still to be played v Ian Volante.
Lee Kelly - Leyton Orient
Ryan Taylor - Norwich
Edward McCullagh - Havant & Waterlooville
Matthew Tassier - Preston North End

Joseph Krol · Post by **Joseph Krol** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:47 pm

I would like to take part in the tournament, as would Thomas Carey who has given me permission to sign him up over the telephone.

Dan Abrey · Post by **Dan Abrey** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:56 pm

Count me in. Are we being assigned teams? If so, can I make sure I get Oxford United by jumping in now, as I know they'll be a very popular choice.

Kai Laddiman · Post by **Kai Laddiman** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:56 pm

No offence, but you have set your expectations too high. There are already 3 tournaments running that people are trying to organise, and I know how hard it is to even organise a single match, never mind 3 or 4.

In.

Dan Abrey · Post by **Dan Abrey** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:58 pm

PS I'm interested to know why 84 teams has any special meaning?

Also Kai, expections schmexpectations, surely. It's not like they're organised by the same person. If people want to play it, they will!

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:06 am

Dan, The FA Cup is not like other Football tournaments. In the first round, 80 teams play. In the second round, 40 teams play. So 20 teams go through to the 3rd round, along with the 20 teams in the premier league and the 24 teams in the Championship (20 + 24 + 20 = 64)
So 64 teams play for 32 spaces, then it's like any other knockout tournament.

Kai, well, I know, but that was my reason for doing it now - everyone else is doing something.

Dan (again), It wasn't what I was thinking of, but you can do it in your head.

Joseph (and Thomas), Sorted. Could Thomas please just confirm it here though. I know I'm nit-picking, but, I like to be a perfectionist.

James Bradley · Post by **James Bradley** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:22 am

Sign me up please.

Ben Wilson · Post by **Ben Wilson** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:38 am

Kai Laddiman wrote:No offence, but you have set your expectations too high. There are already 3 tournaments running that people are trying to organise, and I know how hard it is to even organise a single match, never mind 3 or 4.

In.

This. Even with an advert on the front page of apterous, the Masters got 63 players, which is ttbomk a record for a tournament.

Still though, in.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:03 am

Done and done.

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:22 am

Ian Dent · Post by **Ian Dent** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:33 am

Yeah ok.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:57 am

Done and Done.

Oh, there's now a list of the people who will travel through to the third round automatically. (Don't blame me, blame the FA!)

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:04 am

Rhys Benjamin wrote:In the first round, 80 teams play. In the second round, 40 teams play. So 20 teams go through to the 3rd round, along with the 20 teams in the premier league and the 24 teams in the Championship (20 + 24 + 20 = 64)
So 64 teams play for 32 spaces, then it's like any other knockout tournament.

Don't get obsessed with having the same format Rhys, you won't be getting 124 players so don't build yourself up for failure.

Set a date (you may have done this already and I haven't noticed), and then of everyone you have that has entered it should be easy to give a few of them byes, leaving a tournament-friendly number to battle it out and quarter the qualifying field before those top players join. I wouldn't recommend choosing your top players already, wait to see who enters (but don't forget to aptomail the top players too to let them know - don't forget Kirk is too cool to check c4c any more).

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:10 am

Hmmmmmm..... Since the number of entrants is increasing rapidly, I'll wait for a bit. If everything dies down a bit, then I'll start.

Kirk looked at it this morning (Last Visit - Sat 12 March 12:09 am.)
I've aptomailed the top.... 25 (excluding Charlie, who made it quite clear he doesn't want to play any more) on Pro Ranks and see what I get.

David O'Donnell · Post by **David O'Donnell** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:34 am

Thanks for the mail Rhys, I don't think I can commit to playing. Cheers for the offer.

James Robinson · Post by **James Robinson** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:52 am

I might as well enter too. Don't want to be left out.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:08 pm

Done.
Did the email help?
Oh, and sorry, I just copied the email to the top 25, so can you excuse the c4c bit?
And I've just had a "no" from Bob de Caux.

Martin Long · Post by **Martin Long** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:15 pm

Count me in.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:17 pm

Thomas Cappleman · Post by **Thomas Cappleman** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:27 pm

I'm in

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:34 pm

James Hall · Post by **James Hall** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:56 pm

I'll play

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:57 pm

Jamie French · Post by **Jamie French** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:46 pm

Count me in please Rhys

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:56 pm

Will do
13 already

Ian Volante · Post by **Ian Volante** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:16 pm

Mark James · Post by **Mark James** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:21 pm

Add me please.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:29 pm

Done and Done.

Edwin Mead · Post by **Edwin Mead** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:32 pm

I'll join in, as long as I can be MK Dons.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:34 pm

Done. I just want to reiterate, if you want to assign a team to yourself, then feel free, but I don't mind if you don't.

Joseph Krol · Post by **Joseph Krol** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:41 pm

In that case can I be Torquay United.

Soph K · Post by **Soph K** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:45 pm

Nah. I'll lose. UNLESS there's Junior Conundrums??? ...Probably not. Although, if you're extremely desperate and you need just one or two more people, I'll accept. But for now, it's a no thanks.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:53 pm

Soph K wrote:Nah. I'll lose. UNLESS there's Junior Conundrums??? ...Probably not. Although, if you're extremely desperate and you need just one or two more people, I'll accept. But for now, it's a no thanks.

Oh come on..... I lose all the time!

Eoin Monaghan · Post by **Eoin Monaghan** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:30 pm

Yep, I think it would be nice if we were assigned a team, that's what made the Apterous World Cup much better IMO

Graeme Cole · Post by **Graeme Cole** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:23 pm

In, please.

Oliver Garner · Post by **Oliver Garner** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:32 pm

I'll give it a whirl

Dan Abrey · Post by **Dan Abrey** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:29 pm

Eoin Monaghan wrote:Yep, I think it would be nice if we were assigned a team, that's what made the Apterous World Cup much better IMO

Definitely, just pick an assortment of teams (mostly Prem and some lower league teams to give Northwich Victoria a chance of lifting the Apterous FA Cup) and assign them randomly.

Kai Laddiman · Post by **Kai Laddiman** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:42 pm

Dan Abrey wrote:
Eoin Monaghan wrote:Yep, I think it would be nice if we were assigned a team, that's what made the Apterous World Cup much better IMO
Definitely, just pick an assortment of teams (mostly Prem and some lower league teams to give Northwich Victoria a chance of lifting the Apterous FA Cup) and assign them randomly.

Don't forget Crawley Town!

Adam Gillard · Post by **Adam Gillard** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:43 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:
Kai Laddiman wrote:No offence, but you have set your expectations too high. There are already 3 tournaments running that people are trying to organise, and I know how hard it is to even organise a single match, never mind 3 or 4.

In.
This. Even with an advert on the front page of apterous, the Masters got 63 players, which is ttbomk a record for a tournament.

Still though, in.

Basically what Ben said. I'm in, but maybe you should have waited until the Masters was further down the line so people don't have too many tournaments going on at the same time. This is why I set a tournament up to start in May (not that I'm expecting to get 128 entrants; just trying not to clash too much with other tournaments). Sounds fun though; if we are picking our own teams I'd like to represent Tottenham Hotspur Football Club (est. 1882).

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:44 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:Oh, and in true FA Cup tradition, the 64 highest players on ProRanks will get a bye into the 3rd round.

Rhys Benjamin wrote:In the first round, 80 teams play. In the second round, 40 teams play. So 20 teams go through to the 3rd round, along with the 20 teams in the premier league and the 24 teams in the Championship (20 + 24 + 20 = 64)

So how does this fit in with 64 teams getting a bye into the third round? Do you mean 44?

Martyn Simpson · Post by **Martyn Simpson** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:51 pm

I'll sign up.

Can I bag Hyde FC, as it's about time we had a nice cup run.

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:44 pm

No choosing. Random teams ffs.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:57 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Rhys Benjamin wrote:Oh, and in true FA Cup tradition, the 64 highest players on ProRanks will get a bye into the 3rd round.

Rhys Benjamin wrote:In the first round, 80 teams play. In the second round, 40 teams play. So 20 teams go through to the 3rd round, along with the 20 teams in the premier league and the 24 teams in the Championship (20 + 24 + 20 = 64)
So how does this fit in with 64 teams getting a bye into the third round? Do you mean 44?

Thanks, Gavin!

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:51 pm

I'd get your tournament approved before getting 124 people to sign up to it.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:10 am

Charlie Reams wrote:I'd get your tournament approved before getting 124 people to sign up to it.

I thought anyone could just run a tournament when they felt like it.

Charlie Reams · Post by **Charlie Reams** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:29 am

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:I'd get your tournament approved before getting 124 people to sign up to it.
I thought anyone could just run a tournament when they felt like it.

You can do whatever you like, but you need to apply to use the actual tournament system as explained on the page. I did that to prevent the tournament overload we are now facing, which I think reduces the accomplishment of winnng them.

Soph K · Post by **Soph K** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:55 am

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Soph K wrote:Nah. I'll lose. UNLESS there's Junior Conundrums??? ...Probably not. Although, if you're extremely desperate and you need just one or two more people, I'll accept. But for now, it's a no thanks.
Oh come on..... I lose all the time!

Nope... I'm only in (but right now I'm not in!) if you are extremely desparate and if you only need 1 to 3 more people. So there!

Soph K · Post by **Soph K** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:58 am

Soph K wrote:
Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Soph K wrote:Nah. I'll lose. UNLESS there's Junior Conundrums??? ...Probably not. Although, if you're extremely desperate and you need just one or two more people, I'll accept. But for now, it's a no thanks.
Oh come on..... I lose all the time!
Nope... I'm only in (but right now I'm not in!) if you are extremely desparate and if you only need 1 to 3 more people. So there!

Oh, and, I suppose there's no Junior Conundrums?

And a lot of very good people doing this tournament?

And you can't, on purpose, put me into a team with not as good people?

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:29 am

Charlie Reams wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:
Charlie Reams wrote:I'd get your tournament approved before getting 124 people to sign up to it.
I thought anyone could just run a tournament when they felt like it.
You can do whatever you like, but you need to apply to use the actual tournament system as explained on the page. I did that to prevent the tournament overload we are now facing, which I think reduces the accomplishment of winnng them.

[sigh]
Has to happen to me doesn't it?

Ian Volante · Post by **Ian Volante** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:43 am

Just schedule it for a few weeks' time, I'm sure most of us will wait!

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:48 am

I'll take sign-ups now anyway. Let's say if we've got 124, then I wait for 1 week and start. Or I'll probably schedule it starting sometime in April.

And, just because I'm nicer, I'll let you pick teams. (They don't have to be in the Lower leagues if you're not in the top 44).

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:05 am

I'm giving you a second chance to listen to me, Rhys! Don't let people pick teams.
Half the reason the AWC worked so damn well was giving people a 'random' team that they could then attach their hopes and loves to - hell, we even had people supporting those teams FOR REAL that they had been chosen to represent for the AWC.

If you let people pick teams, you get a few people who care about what they've been given and by extension nobody else will. And they'll be zero fun/surprise value. Not only that but if you assign them with rankings, you actually get meaningful match ups. It's going to feel weird if some one shit is Man U and someone amazing is Exeter and Exeter end up winning 130-30. Your call of course, but hey.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:07 am

Well, some people have said that I'm only in if I'm xxx. If you want a randomisation, just post 'ere.

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:17 am

Cool. You do what you fancy! I'll step out if you're letting people choose teams.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:21 am

Matt Morrison wrote:Cool. You do what you fancy! I'll step out if you're letting people choose teams.

All right then, twist my arm. I'll make an exception for those who have already said.

Adam Gillard · Post by **Adam Gillard** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:28 am

What Matt said makes sense. If you're going to have seedings then they should be based on Premiership / Championship etc. clubs. I don't mind if I'm randomly assigned or assigned by ranking to a club.

Ian Volante · Post by **Ian Volante** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:31 am

I'd like random. Otherwise it's going to end up with the big teams, quite a few random small ones, and loads missing from the middle.

Rhys Benjamin · Post by **Rhys Benjamin** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:57 am

Anyone know a random football team generator?
Found one.
Adam..... not really!

Joseph Krol · Post by **Joseph Krol** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:59 am

Rhys Benjamin wrote:Anyone know a random football team generator?

No, but it would be easier to get a list and put it into a random order generator.

Andy Wilson · Post by **Andy Wilson** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:16 pm

Or leave them in order of their league position and assign the highest one to to highest rated entrant etc... as has already been suggested.

Will you play?