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Stand-up comedy

Post by Matt Morrison » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:46 pm

The whole blocking Meakin from threads is bullshit these days. But here's another.

Can a mod please move the last 4 posts from Meakin thread into here? viewtopic.php?p=176200#p176196

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:41 pm

I've seen quite a lot of stand-up over the years, but not that much recently. I liked Stewart Lee and Richard Herring when they were on Fist of Fun etc., and I also like their stand-up. Robin Ince is pretty good too. And Doug Stanhope as Mark James mentioned. There's loads actually. It's difficult to pick favourites.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:44 pm

Mark James wrote:
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There's alot I don't like but I'd still have to give credit to. McEntire would be one. He's not for me but he's clearly good at what he does. I find as well that if you're good on panel shows you're less likely to be good in an hour special and vice versa. I like the scenes we'd like to see bit on Mock the Week but can't stand watching most of those comedians in their own act. Even Frankie Boyle was much better on that than in his own shows.

My most hated comedians (besides those right wing conservative reactionaries that call themselves comedians even though they aren't really like Steven Crowder) are Lee Mack and Russell Howard.
I'd agree that a lot of people who are good on panel shows aren't as good at actual stand-up. I'd say McIntyre is better at stand-up though. Sean Lock is another who's definitely better at panel shows, and I'd agree on Frankie Boyle.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Mark James » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:57 pm

Oh yeah. McIntyre is awful on panel shows, definitely one of the examples of being better at one than the other. Lock would be an exception to the rule for me. I enjoy him doing both. Also panel show hosts tend to get away with it ie. Dara O'Briain and Jimmy Carr. (I don't like Carr all that much but at least he doesn't act persecuted for doing edgy stuff the way Gervais does)

Another one I forgot that I hated was Jason Byrne. He's dreadful.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Matt Morrison » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:01 pm

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Marc Meakin » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:05 pm

Sean Locke is less funny at stand up since he has been on panel shows.
People like Milton Jones is still good live but he limits his panel show appearances.
I think some people have funny bones and consistently make me laugh like Johnny Vegas or Bill Bailey.
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Post by Matt Morrison » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:11 pm

I'm considering going to Stanhope when he comes to London later in the year, it's just pretty damn expensive. But as far as "pretty damn expensive" goes, I regretted not going to see Louis C.K. when he came a couple of years ago, and look how that worked out.

Some of my favourite comedians, ones I could probably not get bored of seeing very often: Tony Law, Tim Key, James Acaster, Adam Buxton.

Some others I've seen on the 'undercard' as it were, and now would like to see again: Tom Ward, Fin Taylor, David Trent, Kevin Eldon (knew him well obviously but didn't expect his stand up to be so good for some reason), Andy Zaltzman.

A couple I had high hopes for but were a bit hit and miss (though far from terrible... probably off days): Paul Foot, Simon Munnery, Richard Herring.

On the list to see at some point: David Cross, Paul Gadd.

Other ones I've seen that didn't let me down: Stewart Lee, Bill Bailey, Nick Helm, Jack Dee, Phil Wang.

Just horrible: Joz Norris.

That's all I can remember for the moment that are worth mentioning.

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Post by Matt Morrison » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:13 pm

Oh, think I might have mentioned this elsewhere but seeing Henning Wehn in a small club before he was famous (or heard of, at all) was quite an experience. Everyone stony silent and thinking he was just some weird German who'd walked in off the street unprepared - except for me and one friend who were the only ones who seemed to get him and found it hilarious.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Mark James » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:14 pm

Just like to add this story. I follow my local football team around the country and we were on the supporters bus coming home from a particularly long away trip. It had been a poor match and we were beaten and the mood wasn't the best but one of the lads started to look up Tim Vine jokes on his phone. The phone was being passed around and people were reading out their favourite joke. It was great. The whole bus was in hysterics.

I think it's an under appreciated skill to write those kind of one liner jokes that anyone can tell. Trying to tell a Milton Jones or Mitch Hedberg joke, which are similar in structure to Vine, doesn't sound as good. Their unique delivery makes it whereas Vine just does classic gags anyone can do.

The one that slaughtered us was: I was in my local record store. I said, what do you have by the Doors. He said a bucket of sand and a fire blanket.

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Post by Mark James » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Never liked Louis C.K. for some reason. Everyone expected me to, knowing my taste but I didn't get it. Maybe some sort of Spidey Sense was tingling.

Tim Key is another I abhorr. Poetry is up there with ventriloquism as the most useless art form. Just write a tune to go with lyrics or fuck off.

Having said that, stand ups doing comedy songs is another bugbear. David O'Doherty is just about tolerable but beyond Denis Leary's "Asshole" I can't be dealing with it.

I don't mind funny bands like Spinal Tap and Flight of the Conchords, or stuff like the songs in South Park but if I go to a comedy gig and there's an acoustic guitar on a stand that will be unleashed at some stage, I despair.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Marc Meakin » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:50 pm

Tim Minchin and Bill Bailey are probably the best musical comics.
Of course back in the day Jasper Carrott wasn't too bad.

Another comic good at the one liners is Stu Francis ( the Canadian, not the British one )
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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Gavin Chipper » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:47 pm

Matt Morrison wrote:
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On the list to see at some point: David Cross, Paul Gadd.
Isn't that Gary Glitter's real name?

I think Mitch Benn is a very good musical comedian by the way.

Edit - Just checked and it is. There is a Richard Gadd though.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Matt Morrison » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:16 pm

Freud, get over here! Not sure what happened there, but yes - Richard.

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Post by Phil Reynolds » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:15 am

Mark James wrote:
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Vine just does classic gags anyone can do.

The one that slaughtered us was: I was in my local record store. I said, what do you have by the Doors. He said a bucket of sand and a fire blanket.
My favourite Tim Vine gag: I said to my girlfriend, how do you like my new shirt? It's got cactuses on it. She said, cac-TI. I said, well that's as maybe, but what about the shirt?

Some years ago in Edinburgh I saw a late-night gig by Dan Antopolski ("big name comedian"). He started telling some average gags that got polite laughter. While continuing in this vein, he produced a stack of large cardboard signs (a la Subterranean Homesick Blues), the first of which said "I think the room is bugged". The next one said "Act naturally". Then "Pretend I'm funny". And so on. He continued to do two completely parallel sets - one verbal, one written - and the combination was hilarious.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:46 am

Tim Vine is a favourite of mine too. It can be quite tiring trying to keep up with all the one-liners and not lose concentration, but then he breaks it up with songs or trying to get a pen behind his ear or something.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by James Robinson » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:20 pm

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Tim Vine is a favourite of mine too. It can be quite tiring trying to keep up with all the one-liners and not lose concentration, but then he breaks it up with songs or trying to get a pen behind his ear or something.
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Post by Zarte Siempre » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:46 pm

Genuinely don't understand how anyone enjoys Tim Vine...

That's my only real noteworthy thought on this thread. Just that.
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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Marc Meakin » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:15 am

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Genuinely don't understand how anyone enjoys Tim Vine...

That's my only real noteworthy thought on this thread. Just that.
End of anecdote 🙂

I think there are two main types of stand ups, joke tellers and story tellers.
I think now Ken Dodds dead, Time Vine can take the reigns of king of the one liners.

I do agree that he just tells a succession of jokes rather than hones out an actual act with a start, middle and end.
But as I've said earlier, funny is funny and surely even you must have laughed at a Time Vine joke, now and again
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Post by Matt Morrison » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:12 pm

I think the thing about that sort of quick-fire one-liner comedy is that you tend to find yourself lightly tittering throughout. It's kind of vanilla in that, as you say, you'd expect there to be something for everyone, it's pretty easy comedy (to get, not necessarily to write, and Vine is excellent at what he does).

But the cost of being kind of shallow, universally appealing, and so temporary, means you just don't get the hilarious memorable events you can get from a proper/traditional/story/structured stand up routine. I've cried with laughter at plenty of stand ups but the one-liner approach, even a perfectly executed showsworth of them, is never going to get the sort of reaction you can (potentially) get from riffing on one particular subject for a while and getting deeper into it.

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Post by Mark James » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:45 pm

I largely agree Matt. As much as I like his jokes I probably wouldn't enjoy an actual Tim Vine gig. I think the way we experienced them on the bus that time added to the enjoyment of them. They're like what Norm MacDonald calls classic street jokes, the kind you tell in the pub but wouldn't really work in stand up show. When he's on talk shows Norm will tell those kind of jokes but he doesn't do them in his actual show.

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:42 pm

Time Vine doesn't just do one-liners though. He mixes it up with other stuff. But I'd agree that a one-liner comedian would probably never be my absolute favourite, although a top one-liner is still better than most non-one-liner comedians. I also like to see a mix of different comedy, rather than saying "I like x comedy, so I'm going to see as many people as I can that fit this mould".

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Post by Zarte Siempre » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:14 am

Stewart Francis can make me howl occasionally. I do still agree with the general phenomenon that it's harder to be blown away by a constant barrage of one-liner jokes, but he can really make me laugh.

Tim Vine, just... no tbh. I think it must be something about that family, cos Jeremy does my fucking nut in too.
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Post by Marc Meakin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:41 am

Zarte Siempre wrote:
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Stewart Francis can make me howl occasionally. I do still agree with the general phenomenon that it's harder to be blown away by a constant barrage of one-liner jokes, but he can really make me laugh.

Tim Vine, just... no tbh. I think it must be something about that family, cos Jeremy does my fucking nut in too.
Agree with you about Jeremy Vine, can't watch eggheads now, although having hated Nick Hewer, at first, have slowly warmed to him although I do want to punch him when he says the K word during series finals
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Post by Paul Worsley » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:53 am

Bill Burr is hilarious.

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Post by Mark James » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:38 am

Anyone else find that the comedians you really like give crap recommendations for other comedians you should check out? Stewart Lee's Alternative comedy experience featured loads of acts that he praised but I couldn't stand. I just wanted to watch him.

And just tonight I saw a video of my current favourite, Norm MacDonald, recommeding Brian Reagan as the best comedian working today. I watched a bit of his stuff and it raised a few chuckles but nowhere close to blowing me away in the same way when I first saw Norm. And funnily enough it was lesser comedians that turned me on to Norm in the first place.

I guess it's a modesty thing or something. You can hardly come out and say I recommend so and so but they're not as good as me.

And, somewhat controversially, I have to admit I never got why Richard Pryor was held in such high esteem. He's good and all but the way other comics talk about him I think is over the top. I prefer him in movies than in stand up. Kind of like Lenny Bruce, I can appreciate how groundbreaking and influential he and Pryor were but I just don't think they're as funny. Certainly nowhere near as good as Carlin who would have been close to a contemporary and yet hasn't aged anyway near as much.

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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Marc Meakin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:32 am

I too found Richard Prior to be not that funny I much prefer Robin Williams stand up.
Don't take much notice of Comedians recommendations as they are a bit hit and miss ( similar with Authors that do the same ) I prefer word of mouth from friends.

Also I've seldom seen a female comic that consistently makes me laugh....so would be interested in any recommendations.
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Post by Paul Worsley » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:47 am

I agree that George Carlin's comedy has aged much better than Richard Pryor's, but when Pryor came along no-one had done stand up like that. Maybe he gets too much credit, but I've never laughed as much as I did when I first saw "Richard Pryor Live".

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Post by Gavin Chipper » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:07 pm

I would say that given the topics on this forum right now, anyone who has done stand-up comedy about cruelty in horse racing must be pretty good.

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Gavin Chipper wrote:
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I would say that given the topics on this forum right now, anyone who has done stand-up comedy about cruelty in horse racing must be pretty good.
I tried it once, but it was like flogging a dead horse.

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Post by Marc Meakin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:32 pm

With all that whipping and cruelty, no wonder they have a long face
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Gavin Chipper wrote:
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I would say that given the topics on this forum right now, anyone who has done stand-up comedy about cruelty in horse racing must be pretty good.
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Re: Stand-up comedy

Post by Mark James » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:30 pm

So I saw Bill Burr and Doug Stanhope in the last week. Burr was excellent. Stanhope was more hit and miss. Some of his stuff is just outrageous for the sake of it without actually attaching a joke to it. He did do the best part of two hours though so you got your money's worth. Would recommend seeing both.

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