Champion of champions seedings

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sun May 18, 2008 7:29 pm

It is my understanding that some of the CofC tournaments were seeded in the early days, but I haven't seen these seedings listed anywhere. I had a look myself at Mike's page and worked out what I thought was the likely system used for some of the tournaments:

CofC I

Best estimate is that they sorted by stage reached followed by highest heat score, with Mark Nyman wildcarded up to seed 1 based on his overall performance. He also had the overall highest score of the players (79) but that was in his quarter final.

1. Mark Nyman - Finalist, 62 (10 wins, 1 loss)
2. Joyce Cansfield - Champion, 65 (2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss)
3. Andrew Guy - Champion, 61 (5 wins, 1 loss)
4. Ash Haji - Champion, 58 (6 wins, 1 loss)
5. Brian Hudson - Champion, 55 (7 wins, 1 loss)
6. Russell Byers - Finalist, 59 (7 wins, 2 losses)
7. Christine Hunt - Finalist, 56 (5 wins, 2 losses)
8. William Bradford - Semi-finalist, 69 (9 wins, 1 loss)

CofC II

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)

CofC III

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 543 (9 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)

CofC IV

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 674 (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, 2 losses, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, 1 loss, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, 1 loss, series champion)

CofC V

Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:

1. Tim Morrissey - 638 (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, reached SF)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 621 (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss, reached SF)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 619 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Mandi Hale - 463 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
5. Lindsey Denyer - 450 (9 wins, 1 loss, reached SF)
6 . Michael Wareham - 438 (7 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 411 (6 wins, 2 losses, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 399 (7 wins, 1 loss, series champion)

CofC VI

Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:

1. Chris Waddington - 680, (11 wins, 0 losses, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, 1 loss, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, 2 losses, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, 1 loss, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, 2 losses, reached final)

Jon O'Neill · Post by **Jon O'Neill** » Sun May 18, 2008 7:53 pm

Wow. You really need to get a life.

Ben Wilson · Post by **Ben Wilson** » Sun May 18, 2008 8:55 pm

What's (only slightly) more interesting is that there were (at the time) members of the Scrabble fraternity in every c of c except one. 9 points to whoever can guess which one.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sun May 18, 2008 9:48 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:What's (only slightly) more interesting is that there were (at the time) members of the Scrabble fraternity in every c of c except one. 9 points to whoever can guess which one.

No, that's less interesting. But a guess - the one you were in?

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sun May 18, 2008 9:48 pm

Ginger Jono wrote:Wow. You really need to get a life.

Would the same apply if I ran a website and put such things on? Presumably Mike and Charlie need to get a life.

Jon O'Neill · Post by **Jon O'Neill** » Sun May 18, 2008 9:58 pm

Well, a little bit, but the stuff they collate has some relevance to.. well, it has some relevance to anything, ever. Unlike this.

Keep up the good work though!

Ben Wilson · Post by **Ben Wilson** » Sun May 18, 2008 11:47 pm

Gevin-Gavin wrote:
Ben Wilson wrote:What's (only slightly) more interesting is that there were (at the time) members of the Scrabble fraternity in every c of c except one. 9 points to whoever can guess which one.
No, that's less interesting. But a guess - the one you were in?

Correct you are, regarding the answer to my trivia question. For bonus points, name all the current tournament Scrabblers to have particpated in a c of c .

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:52 pm

Ginger Jono wrote:Keep up the good work though!

Don't worry, I won't let your meanness stop me.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:53 pm

Ben Wilson wrote:Correct you are, regarding the answer to my trivia question. For bonus points, name all the current tournament Scrabblers to have particpated in a c of c .

No way.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:34 pm

Speaking of these seedings (assuming thy are right), it's interesting that points counted over everything else, including winning the series. It's difficult to know if some people were actually selected out because of their points totals, but it seems of those that were selected, points then counted most.

John Clarke was an unbeaten series champion, but because the series ended before he became an octochamp, he ended up 5th in the seedings, behind a beaten semi-finalist. On averages he would have been second behind just Harvey Freeman.

Richard Brittain · Post by **Richard Brittain** » Wed May 28, 2008 6:52 am

So, what about the more recent CoCs? How do you reckon they've been seeded? On points?

Ben Wilson · Post by **Ben Wilson** » Wed May 28, 2008 12:39 pm

They haven't, at least XI and XII weren't. Chris Wills vs David Williams in round 1 of XI and Stewart Holden vs Paul Gallen in the original line-up of XII kinda hint toward a random draw.

Damian E · Post by **Damian E** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:50 pm

So, what about the more recent CoCs? How do you reckon they've been seeded? On points?

They are not seeded or random, they are plotted, calculated and deviously planned.

David Williams · Post by **David Williams** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:57 pm

When I replied to my invitation for CoC I think I told Mr Eadie there was a drink in it for him if I avoided Mr Wills in Round 1 - with inevitable consequences. I think the only seeding was that all the series champions were kept apart.

David W

Ben Wilson · Post by **Ben Wilson** » Wed May 28, 2008 11:14 pm

David Williams wrote:When I replied to my invitation for CoC I think I told Mr Eadie there was a drink in it for him if I avoided Mr Wills in Round 1 - with inevitable consequences. I think the only seeding was that all the series champions were kept apart.

David W

You're right- I'd forgotten about that one seeding they did.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:37 pm

Looking back at this, of those six, only twice did the number one seed win, and even Tim Morrissey was only number one using some strange system. As the only xicount (a use for that word), Lawrence Pearse would have been the more logical number one. So I thought I'd look through the CofCs after that (and the supremes) to decide on the logical number one seed and see who won.

Tournament, Top seed, winner
CofC VII - Don Reid, Don Reid
CofC VIII - David Acton, Chris Rogers
Supreme - Harvey Freeman, Harvey Freeman
CofC IX - Ray McPhie, Natascha Kearsey
CofC X - Scott Mearns, Scott Mearns
CofC XI - Julian Fell, Graham Nash
CofC XII - Conor Travers, Paul Gallen

So Harvey Freeman, Don Reid and Scott Mearns are the only proper number one seeds to have won a CofC. Craig Beevers would have been number one for the next one but now won't play, putting David O'Donnell in "pole position".

It's also interesting to see Ray McPhie up there in such company!

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:42 am

Mike says that there was also seeding for CofC I so I thought I'd have another look at that. But first, I thought I should put some notes with the ones I'd done before to explain my logic (if I can remember):

CofC II

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, series champion)

The logic is partly based on the seeding used in the normal series, which is detailed on Mike's page. I've mentioned that the scores include draws even though there were none, simply because all individual series at the time included draws in the seedings. I've also based it on the assumption that 1 plays 8 in the first QF, then 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 when finding a system that fits. I've not included Clive Freedman's extra score from the previous series, because it wasn't included in the series seeding. It would make no difference here. It would give him an extra win over Clive Spate but it seems to have been done on points (normal series seedings were until much later and it fits with Ian Bebbington being ahead of Laurie Silver. I've not included losses as they weren't included in normal series seedings and also it would change the order - e.g. Laurie Silver lost two games to Ian Bebbington's one so the extra points would put him ahead.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:51 am

CofC III

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 544 (9 wins, 1 draw, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, reached SF)

Same system as before and basically the same logic. Conveniently, Stephen Balment was less than 10 points ahead of Michael Stephenson, which demonstrates that the 10 points from the sudden death conundrum were included. They didn't have sudden death conundrums in the heats, so there was no precedent from that. I could have not included Jon Marsh's drawing score and swapped his seeding with John Clarke as they were 4 and 5 anyway, but according to Mike's page drawing scores were included in the normal series seeding. Being champion doesn't elevate John Clarke either because Stephen Balment was champion and he's number 7! I don't think including losses would make a material difference here, but it seems unlikely they'd have included them.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:55 am

CofC IV

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 677 (11 wins, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, series champion)

Same system and same logic. Hilary Hopper's draw was required to keep her ahead of Nita Marr. Losses can't count or Nita Marr would be ahead of Hilary Hopper.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:30 am

CofC V

Seeds sorted by total points in winning games in heat stages only:

1. Tim Morrissey - 482 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 479 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 438 (8 wins, series champion)
4. Lindsey Denyer - 386 (8 wins, reached SF)
5. Mandi Hale - 257 (5 wins, reached final)
6. Michael Wareham - 222 (4 wins, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 199 (4 wins, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 191 (4 wins, series champion)

This was a bit of a weird one as it appeared to deviate from the normal logic. Anything that happened in the knockout stages seems to have been disregarded altogether. I've not included draws even though they were included in the series seedings, because this change is needed to keep Tim Morrissey ahead of Jonathan Anstey. (Remember, having seed 1 playing in the first game is an important consideration.)

I've looked at it again today, and under the old system, with draws included and wins in the knockouts, Tim Morrissey would have 593, Jonathan Anstey 585, and Laurence Pearse 619. With all losses too included too, Tim Morrissey gets 638 and Jonathan Anstey gets 621, with Laurence Pearse still on 619. So this does work for the top 3. Lindsay Denyer would be on 450, Mandi Hale on 463, Michael Wareham on 438, Gino Corr on 411 and Liz Barber on 399. So this doesn't work as it puts Mandi Hale ahead of Lindsay Denyer. This explains my thinking that they didn't include the knockouts.

But what if we only included defeats from the knockouts and not heat defeats? The first four would remain the same as they were all octochamps. Mandi Hale is now on 431, Michael Wareham on 404, Gino Corr on 378 and Liz Barber on 369. This works so it is an alternative possibility. So on the one hand we have a system that ignores the knockouts altogether and also changes the status of draws (from counting to not counting) and on the other hand we have a system that keeps draws as before and includes knockouts and also ignores all the defeats already ignored from the series seedings, but then includes the defeats in the knockout stages. So here is that list:

1. Tim Morrissey - 638
2. Jonathan Anstey - 621
3. Laurence Pearse - 619
4. Lindsay Denyer - 450
5. Mandi Hale - 431
6. Michael Wareham - 404
7. Gino Corr - 378
8. Liz Barber - 369

Which was the one used?

Edit - since the series immediately following this CofC included losing scores in seedings, the policy change may have started here but they may have decided not to use the heat game losses since they'd already been disregarded once. So perhaps this is more evidence for my newer theory.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:42 am

CofC VI

Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:

1. Chris Waddington - 680 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, reached final)

From series 21 (the first involved in this CofC), scores from losses counted in the seedings, and this appears to be reflected in the CofC seedings as well (Robert Teuton and Wayne Summers would swap otherwise). I've included Robert Teuton's sudden death conundrum because they were included in the normal series seedings back then.

Jon O'Neill · Post by **Jon O'Neill** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:19 am

Is six in a row a new record?

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:35 am

Jon O'Neill wrote:Is six in a row a new record?

Nope, Philip Jarvis has eight.

Jon O'Neill · Post by **Jon O'Neill** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:39 am

Shit. And now we've ruined his World Record attempt.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:11 pm

Keep out of my thread.

(Does Philip Jarvis actually have eight in a row?)

Lesley Hines · Post by **Lesley Hines** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:14 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:(Does Philip Jarvis actually have eight in a row?)

Yes, but only inches.

Matt Morrison · Post by **Matt Morrison** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:16 pm

Thanks for paying attention Lesley! Surprised Jono missed that

Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:37 pm

OK Gev, having checked back, I can now confirm that your seedings (and probably most, if not all, of your logic) is spot on for CoC II, III, IV and VI. For CoC V, Mandi Hale was seeded 4th and Lindsay Denyer 5th (which I think surprised me at the time, but one of your theories above seems to cover it). The seedings for CoC I were as follows:

1. Mark Nyman
2. Joyce Cansfield
3. Andrew Guy
4. Ash Haji
5. Brian Hudson
6. Russell Byers
7. Christine Hunt
8. William Bradford

Hope you find it useful!

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:17 pm

Mike Brown wrote:OK Gev, having checked back, I can now confirm that your seedings (and probably most, if not all, of your logic) is spot on for CoC II, III, IV and VI. For CoC V, Mandi Hale was seeded 4th and Lindsay Denyer 5th (which I think surprised me at the time, but one of your theories above seems to cover it). The seedings for CoC I were as follows:

1. Mark Nyman
2. Joyce Cansfield
3. Andrew Guy
4. Ash Haji
5. Brian Hudson
6. Russell Byers
7. Christine Hunt
8. William Bradford

Hope you find it useful!

Thanks for that. For some reason I thought it mattered that Mandi and Lindsay swapped round under that system but being 4 and 5 it makes no difference. Do you know how CoC I was done?

Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:31 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:Do you know how CoC I was done?

Not off the top of my head, but if I was guessing, it's probably total points from wins and draws. Might have a look at it soon unless someone (you?) beats me to it...

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:36 pm

Mike Brown wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:Do you know how CoC I was done?
Not off the top of my head, but if I was guessing, it's probably total points from wins and draws. Might have a look at it soon unless someone (you?) beats me to it...

I did have a look at it before, but couldn't find an obvious answer. William Bradford was an octochamp and scored more points than quite a few of the others but is number 8.

Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:25 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Mike Brown wrote:
Gavin Chipper wrote:Do you know how CoC I was done?
Not off the top of my head, but if I was guessing, it's probably total points from wins and draws. Might have a look at it soon unless someone (you?) beats me to it...
I did have a look at it before, but couldn't find an obvious answer. William Bradford was an octochamp and scored more points than quite a few of the others but is number 8.

Just taken another look and I can't see any obvious logic at all. Maybe William was number 8 because he was the only one not to make a series final, but if so I still can't see what pattern was used to determine the rest. For now, I give up!

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:13 pm

With CoC I, ignoring Mark Nyman, it could be done by how far they got, followed by highest score in the heats. So:

2. Joyce Cansfield - Champion, 65
3. Andrew Guy - Champion, 61
4. Ash Haji - Champion, 58
5. Brian Hudson - Champion, 55

6. Russell Byers - Finalist, 59
7. Christine Hunt - Finalist, 56

8. William Bradford - Semi-finalist, 69

But then you have:

1. Mark Nyman - Finalist, 62

Mark did score 79 in his quarter final, but if you include knock-out games other people would change orders as well. Ash Haji got 68 in his quarter final, and would go ahead of Joyce Cansfield and Andrew Guy.

Stuff like average or total score seem to make no sense here either.

JackHurst · Post by **JackHurst** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:44 pm

Jon O'Neill wrote:Wow. You really need to get a life.

Still applies.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:17 pm

Just quoting the original post for posterity as I'm going to edit it so that the top post is accurate.

Gavin Chipper wrote: ↑Sun May 18, 2008 7:29 pm It is my understanding that some of the CofC tournaments were seeded in the early days, but I haven't seen these seedings listed anywhere. I had a look myself at Mike's page and worked out what I thought was the likely system used for some of the tournaments:

CofC II

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Clive Spate - 595 (9 wins, series champion)
2. Clive Freedman - 472 (9 wins, reached SF - does not include points from win in previous series)
3. Julian Hough - 451 (8 wins, reached final)
4. John Wallace - 404 (8 wins, reached QF)
5. Ian Bebbington - 373 (6 wins, series champion)
6. Laurie Silver - 362 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Olivia Lloyd-Potts - 345 (7 wins, reached final)
8. Peter Evans - 336 (6 wins, series champion)

CofC III

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Harvey Freeman - 760 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Darryl Francis - 633 (11 wins, series champion)
3. David Trace - 604 (11 wins, series champion)
4. Jon Marsh - 544 (9 wins, 1 draw, reached SF)
5. John Clarke - 522 (8 wins, series champion)
6. Cathy Morgan - 398 (7 wins, reached QF)
7. Stephen Balment - 394 (6 wins, series champion, includes points for extra conundrum in QF)
8. Michael Stephenson - 391 (7 wins, reached SF)

CofC IV

Seeds sorted by total points in winning and drawing games in heats and final stages:

1. Dick Green - 688 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Nic Brown - 677 (11 wins, series champion)
3. Allan Saldanha - 582 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Steve Williams 464 (9 wins, reached SF)
5. Hilary Hopper - 460 (7 wins, 1 draw, series champion)
6. Nita Marr - 448 (8 wins, reached SF)
7. Stephen Deakin - 433 (8 wins, reached QF)
8. Tony Vick 376 - (6 wins, series champion)

CofC V

Seeds sorted by total points in winning games in heat stages only:

1. Tim Morrissey - 482 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
2. Jonathan Anstey - 479 (8 wins, reached SF, does not include draw)
3. Lawrence Pearse - 438 (8 wins, series champion)
4. Lindsey Denyer - 386 (8 wins, reached SF)
5. Mandi Hale - 257 (5 wins, reached final)
6. Michael Wareham - 222 (4 wins, series champion)
7. Gino Corr - 199 (4 wins, reached final)
8. Liz Barber - 191 (4 wins, series champion)

CofC VI

Seeds sorted by total points in all games in heats and final stages:

1. Chris Waddington - 680 (11 wins, series champion)
2. Derek Coombs - 648 (10 wins, reached final)
3. Phil Jordan - 607 (10 wins, reached final)
4. Barry Grossman - 544 (8 wins, series champion)
5. Robert Teuton - 534 (7 wins, reached final, includes 10 points from extra conundrum in heat game)
6. Wayne Summers - 472 (8 wins, series champion)
7. Fiona Willis - 407 (6 wins, reached SF, includes points from draw)
8. Jackie McLeod - 359 (5 wins, reached final)

Edit - Edit now done as accurately as my current knowledge allows.

JackHurst · Post by **JackHurst** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:19 pm

JackHurst wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:44 pm
Jon O'Neill wrote:Wow. You really need to get a life.
Still applies.

Haven't actually scrolled up to see why I was slagging off Gevin, but just for the laughs: Still applies 9 years later.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:23 pm

JackHurst wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:19 pm
JackHurst wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:44 pm
Jon O'Neill wrote:Wow. You really need to get a life.
Still applies.
Haven't actually scrolled up to see why I was slagging off Gevin, but just for the laughs: Still applies 9 years later.

Yeah, I don't know why people were so down on this thread at the time. Dickheads the lot of you!

Jon O'Neill · Post by **Jon O'Neill** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:38 pm

I'm pretty sure I wasn't being entirely serious. I think it's actually impressive to get so far into the minutiae of something that only a handful of people will ever care about.

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:48 pm

I'm also pretty sure I was actually never upset or annoyed about it. Tell you what - you can buy me a drink at COLIN and everything will be good.

Fiona T · Post by **Fiona T** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:24 pm

Given Gev drinks tap water, I'd take that deal!

Gavin Chipper · Post by **Gavin Chipper** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:11 pm

He has to go to COLIN though.