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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by James Nguyen » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 am

JackHurst wrote:
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For example, when I filmed the xmas specials earlier this month, it was more than 6 years since I played on apterous (which I find nuts!!!)

Definitely tuning in for this

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Tom S » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:07 pm

Any non-finalist who averaged over 90 in their games? (excluding those who couldn't make the finals)

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by JackHurst » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:14 pm

Tom S wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:07 pm
Any non-finalist who averaged over 90 in their games? (excluding those who couldn't make the finals)
Frank Mulvey.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Gavin Chipper » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:37 pm

Straight in there with the Mulvey. Nice.

Also Zarte Mark I presumably.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Tom S » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:11 pm

Was thinking mainly about David O'Donnell from this series who won 5 games. Looks very unlikely that he'll be a finalist which is pretty unfortunate given that his average over his games is over 100.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Rhys Benjamin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:18 pm

I think the finals for this series ought to have been extended to 16 given how long the series ended up being. Corinna Attwood-gate in my view suggests the series should have been shortened anyway (in a normal time).
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Fiona T » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:50 pm

There's been lots of "haven't made its" whose per game average has been higher than those with more wins - it's the luck of the draw.

Suck it up, and reapply in 10 years. ;)
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Post by Callum Todd » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:14 am

Abdirizak Hirsi and Mark Hartnett smashed it in series 69 too.
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Rhys Benjamin » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:20 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:24 pm
New 15 rounder:
0 wins: Alan Flanagan, Ross Lander (82)
1 win: Jean Wright (151)
2 wins: Peter Fenton (262)
3 wins: Jill Hayward (374)
4 wins: Margaret Lawless (359)
5 wins: Zarte Siempre (656)
6 wins: Gemma Church (602)
7 wins: Callum Todd (747)
8 wins: Dylan Taylor (974)
Could we have an update of this please, Graeme?
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Paul Anderson » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:56 pm

I got 6 wins and 740 odd

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Ian Volante » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:07 pm

Paul Anderson wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:56 pm
I got 6 wins and 740 odd
Martyn's nearly 800 trumps you then!
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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by JackHurst » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:05 pm

Ian Volante wrote:
Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:07 pm
Paul Anderson wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:56 pm
I got 6 wins and 740 odd
Martyn's nearly 800 trumps you then!
Ouch! Poor Martyn :(

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Tom S » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:54 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:20 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:24 pm
New 15 rounder:
0 wins: Alan Flanagan, Ross Lander (82)
1 win: Jean Wright (151)
2 wins: Peter Fenton (262)
3 wins: Jill Hayward (374)
4 wins: Margaret Lawless (359)
5 wins: Zarte Siempre (656)
6 wins: Gemma Church (602)
7 wins: Callum Todd (747)
8 wins: Dylan Taylor (974)
Could we have an update of this please, Graeme?
Have given it a try, and for the lowest, too.

0:Ciaran McCarthy (104)
1:Jamie Ilett-Jones (203)
2:Jason Turner (307)
3:Aidan Linge (394)
4:Jamie Smith (469)
5:Zarte Siempre (in S69) (656)
6:Martyn Simpson (in S82) (794)
7:Dougie Mackay (760)
8:Elliott Mellor (1061)

0:Bernie Kingston (5)
1:Zach Hart (96)
2:Rob Jennings (165)
3:Jack Creswell (284)
4:Shabir Alidina (364)
5:Gavin Woolnough (454)
6:Stephen Fuller (507)
7:Judy Bursford (In Series 73) (603)
8:Steven Turnbull (619)

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Patrick Thompson » Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:17 pm

What’s the highest number of points conceded for an octachamp?

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by JackHurst » Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:54 pm

Patrick Thompson wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:17 pm
What’s the highest number of points conceded for an octachamp?
Great question!

Another good question inspired by this is which players have the highest and lowest aggregate score difference over all of their games.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Martin Hurst » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:30 pm

If the series 82 final ends up being Luke v Sam, will it be the first CD episode ever with both contestants having double-barrelled surnames?

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Thomas Cappleman » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:10 pm

Martin Hurst wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:30 pm
If the series 82 final ends up being Luke v Sam, will it be the first CD episode ever with both contestants having double-barrelled surnames?
Tom Chafer-Cook is the only double-barrelled champion, and he played Bradley Horrocks, so yes.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:24 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:03 pm
How many times has the max been 100 or more, and how many times has at least one contestant hit 100 or more?

(Basically, "century success rate", please.)

I know no one ever got a century in 9-rounders but I'd like to see how often it was possible...!
Up until the end of series 81...

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Format          Times century possible   Times century achieved           %
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9 rounder                            3                        0          0%
Old 15 rounder                    2609                      719       27.6%
15 rounder                        1570                      600       38.2%
If two players score a century in the same game, that only counts once.

The three 9-rounders with a max of 100 or more:
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_538
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_2547
http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_3068

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:50 pm

Tom S wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:07 pm
Any non-finalist who averaged over 90 in their games? (excluding those who couldn't make the finals)
The following list is sort of that - I haven't got a way to exclude people who qualified for the finals but didn't turn up for whatever reason. Furthermore, I've taken the relevant series finals to be the finals in the same series as their last heat game, because that's the only way I could get it to include people who averaged 90+ in one run but only qualified for the finals in a subsequent run (e.g. Zarte). From this I've manually removed Annie Humphries who was a rare case of someone not being available for "their" finals but being put into the next series finals instead.

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                      SERIES     GAMES   AVERAGE
Jean Goodman              46         2      94.0
Alan Swift                47         3      92.0
David Franks              47         8      93.0
David Stainer             47         5      92.0
Elfie Winterton           47         1      92.0
John Mitchell             47         4      92.25
Peter Lee                 47         1      93.0
Terry Rattle              47         1     107.0
Dez Hussey                48         2      91.5
Michael Clarke            48         4      94.5
Tony Slade                48         1      92.0
Andrew Naylor             49         1      95.0
Austin Shin               49         1      91.0
Frank Blake               49         1      90.0
Jerry Humphreys           49         1      93.0
Ruth Hartley              49         3      91.33333
Saji Kamalananthan        49         1      90.0
Nick Smith                50         3      92.0
Paul Skingsley            50         1      90.0
Andy Page                 51         3      91.0
Ben Walden                51         3      95.66666
Chris White               51         1      93.0
Eric Wright               51         4      91.5
Steve Hyde                51         3      94.0
Ben Tamplin               52         3      91.33333
Roy Thearle               52         5      97.8
Tim Charlton              52         2      96.5
Frank Mulvey              53         5      93.6
Jane Hoskyn               53         1      91.0
Kieran Coppinger          53         4      91.75
Andrew Gedney             54         2      91.5
Ian Graham                54         6      91.16666
Marie Hayden              54         6      98.83333
Robin Sutherland          54         1      91.0
Rosemary Ilsley           54         2      91.5
Tuck Broadbent            54         4      93.25
Bernie Corrigan           55         2      95.0
Dan Ward                  55         1      93.0
Danny Shears              55         1      92.0
Graham Dugdale            55         3     102.0
Ian Hilton                55         5      96.2
Phil Watkins              55         1      90.0
Robin Brown               55         5      91.6
Sheri Evans               55         6      91.83333
George Rhodes             56         1      93.0
Martin May                56         2      90.5
Paul Richards             56         1      93.0
Rob Waters                56         2      92.0
Alan Gray                 57         3      93.66666
Martin May                57         5      93.0
Roy Gerrish               57         1      96.0
Sam Butcher               57         3      95.66666
Andrew Swale              58         2      93.0
Gayle Smith               58         3      97.0
Ian Lamb                  58         3      90.0
Matthew Coates            58         4      97.25
Tony Durrant              58         4      97.25
Colin Westacott           59         1      91.0
Anita Fairhurst           60         1      94.0
Chris Kirby               60         3      90.33333
James Robinson            60         3      94.0
Ed Rossiter               61         4      93.25
Lesley Hines              61         1     104.0
Micheal Harris            61         2      95.0
Robert Brownlie           61         3      95.0
Clarke Carlisle           62         3      92.0
James Rawson              62         5      97.2
Steve Tamplin             62         1      90.0
Toni Balestra             62         1      90.0
Greg Hayhurst             63         6      90.0
Barbara Grice             64         1      95.0
Dave Dyer                 64         3      93.33333
Anne Haley                65         2      92.5
Barry Evans               65         1      92.0
Syed Bukhari              65         1      91.0
Chris Butler              66         4      90.5
Stephen Senior            66         1      93.0
Anthea Rata               67         2      90.0
Abdirizak Hirsi           69         6     103.3333
Mark Hartnett             69         4     101.25
Sarah Hadaway             69         4      96.0
Zarte Siempre             69         6     109.3333
Bobby Johnson             70         4      90.0
Ciaran McCarthy           70         1     104.0
Ciarán Crawley            70         4      92.5
Cliff Lee                 70         6      91.5
Peter Steggle             70         1      95.0
Damen Bramwell            71         2      90.5
Duncan McGregor           71         1      98.0
Farhan Ahmed              71         4      93.5
Ian Linton                71         3      96.0
Jamie Ilett-Jones         71         2     101.5
Jason Turner              71         3     102.3333
Jonny Rye                 71         3      94.0
Kieran O'Driscoll         71         1      90.0
Vicki Landriau            71         2      96.5
David Pooley              72         4      92.5
Lee Worth                 72         1      95.0
Liam Thorne               72         2      90.0
Mark Perrett              72         1      91.0
Neil Stephenson           72         4      92.75
Adam Curran               73         1     100.0
James Rowan               73         1      97.0
Alasdair Haines           74         2      92.5
Jon Hinchliffe            74         1      93.0
Aidan Linge               75         4      98.5
Chris Leaney              75         2      90.5
Jamie Smith               75         5      93.8
Mark Gourley              75         1      92.0
Norm Ahmad                75         2      98.5
Stephen Bloom             75         3      90.66666
Dave Ryan                 76         3      92.0
Suzy Turner               76         4      90.75
Ben Leyburn               77         6      93.0
Chris Weldon              77         5      91.0
Sarah Holey               77         4      95.0
Jason Palmer              78         4      93.25
Robin Johnson             79         8      93.125
Harry Clark               80         3      96.66666
Ewen Alexander            81         1      93.0
Mike Woodberry            81         1      94.0
Paul Anderson             81         7     105.2857
Stephen Mellor            81         6      90.83333

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:01 pm

Rhys Benjamin wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:20 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:24 pm
New 15 rounder:
0 wins: Alan Flanagan, Ross Lander (82)
1 win: Jean Wright (151)
2 wins: Peter Fenton (262)
3 wins: Jill Hayward (374)
4 wins: Margaret Lawless (359)
5 wins: Zarte Siempre (656)
6 wins: Gemma Church (602)
7 wins: Callum Todd (747)
8 wins: Dylan Taylor (974)
Could we have an update of this please, Graeme?
Highest totals for players in (new) 15-rounders by number of games won in that run, up to the end of series 81:

0 wins: Ciaran McCarthy (104)
1 win: Jamie Ilett-Jones (203)
2 wins: Jason Turner (307)
3 wins: Mark Hartnett (405)
4 wins: Jamie Smith (469)
5 wins: Zarte Siempre (656)
6 wins: Philip Aston (760)
7 wins: Dougie Mackay (759)
8 wins: Elliott Mellor (1061)

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 pm

Patrick Thompson wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:17 pm
What’s the highest number of points conceded for an octachamp?
Assuming we're counting only points scored by opponents in the relevant heat run, the highest is 585 by the opponents of David Edwards.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:28 pm

JackHurst wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:54 pm
Patrick Thompson wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:17 pm
What’s the highest number of points conceded for an octachamp?
Great question!

Another good question inspired by this is which players have the highest and lowest aggregate score difference over all of their games.
Elliott Mellor had an aggregate margin of 854 over his octorun opponents.
Glenn Leaney had an aggregate margin of 76 over his octorun opponents, although that was in 9 rounders. The lowest aggregate margin for an octochamp in 15-rounders is 95 by Chris McHenry.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:31 pm

Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:10 pm
Martin Hurst wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:30 pm
If the series 82 final ends up being Luke v Sam, will it be the first CD episode ever with both contestants having double-barrelled surnames?
Tom Chafer-Cook is the only double-barrelled champion, and he played Bradley Horrocks, so yes.
Can confirm.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Gavin Chipper » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:42 pm

Graeme Cole wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:31 pm
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:10 pm
Martin Hurst wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:30 pm
If the series 82 final ends up being Luke v Sam, will it be the first CD episode ever with both contestants having double-barrelled surnames?
Tom Chafer-Cook is the only double-barrelled champion, and he played Bradley Horrocks, so yes.
Can confirm.
I think T-Cap misread the question but got the right answer anyway.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Graeme Cole » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:51 pm

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:42 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:31 pm
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:10 pm


Tom Chafer-Cook is the only double-barrelled champion, and he played Bradley Horrocks, so yes.
Can confirm.
I think T-Cap misread the question but got the right answer anyway.
Erm, yes, so did I. I thought it was only asking about finals.

There's exactly one episode in Countdown's history where both players' surnames are double-barrelled: Derek Stuart-Clark against John Gough-Cooper. http://wiki.apterous.org/Episode_882

I took "double barrelled" to mean "containing a hyphen". If you expand this definition to include "contains at least two spaces" you also get episode 6218 between Matt Le Tissier and Shaun Connolly-Flynn, but it's a bit of a stretch to count "Le" as an entire barrel.

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Re: Ask Graeme?

Post by Thomas Cappleman » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:33 am

Gavin Chipper wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:42 pm
Graeme Cole wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:31 pm
Thomas Cappleman wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:10 pm


Tom Chafer-Cook is the only double-barrelled champion, and he played Bradley Horrocks, so yes.
Can confirm.
I think T-Cap misread the question but got the right answer anyway.
Oops yes, brain got primed by the initial mention of final, then apparently couldn't be bothered to read the rest properly.

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