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Maxine Silkstone
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Post subject: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:27 pm |
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SAMOYED as in the breed of dog Listed in ODE Samoyednoun1a member of a group of mainly nomadic peoples of northern Siberia, who traditionally live as reindeer herders. 2[mass noun] any of several Samoyedic (Uralic) languages of the Samoyeds 3a dog of a white Arctic breed
Now given that saluki just a page away has no capitalization, I would've thought that samoyed would be ok too. Like flowers and plants they are all uncapitalized, yes? Nope! It seems that if your dog is named after a place eg Labrador, Alsatian it is a proper noun with a capital if not eg labradoodle, dachsund it's just an ordinary noun and doesn't!
so where does that leave the Dulux Dog?
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Kai Laddiman
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:51 pm |
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GAUZES should defo be in, as in the gauzes you put on tripods for Bunsen burners, and also I was very surprised to find that the plural of RENEGADO is RENEGADOES, not RENEGADOS.
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Charlie Reams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:14 pm |
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CLOVERS is the most ridiculous omission, although in the last few days I've noticed the absence of AMPHETAMINES and VOLLEYBALLS, both of which are pretty puzzling.
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Jon Corby
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:56 pm |
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Charlie Reams wrote: CLOVERS is the most ridiculous omission, although in the last few days I've noticed the absence of AMPHETAMINES and VOLLEYBALLS, both of which are pretty puzzling. Yeah, Susie has actually ruled against CLOVERS offered by a contestant on the show, which caused me to spit out my tea at the time.
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Darren Carter
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:28 pm |
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How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked.
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Charlie Reams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:17 pm |
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On the theme of X words, INBOX was a surprising exclusion that arose recently. I suspect the new edition (early 2010?) will drop a lot of hyphens so that might well be a new addition.
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Phil Reynolds
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:22 pm |
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Charlie Reams wrote: On the theme of X words, INBOX was a surprising exclusion that arose recently. I suspect the new edition (early 2010?) will drop a lot of hyphens so that might well be a new addition. Yep, the current one already has BRAINBOX, which has no hyphens at all but presumably means a receptacle for incoming mammary support garments.
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Marc Meakin
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:01 pm |
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AIRBAG should be in
Also PLAUDIT
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Charlie Reams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:22 pm |
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CONMAN/CONMEN surprises a lot of people by its absence. Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit."
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Phil Reynolds
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:40 pm |
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Charlie Reams wrote: Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit." Presumably that's what you get if there's only one audient.
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 am |
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COALMINE DELUXE AIRHOLE / S BEASTING GULLIBLE
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Kai Laddiman
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:48 am |
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D Eadie wrote: GULLIBLE That's strange, I thought that was in.
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Stuart Arnot
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:48 am |
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Kai Laddiman wrote: D Eadie wrote: GULLIBLE That's strange, I thought that was in. 
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Jeffrey Burgin
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:54 am |
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Darren Carter wrote: How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked. You're not the only one. 
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Darren Carter
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:01 am |
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Jeffrey Burgin wrote: Darren Carter wrote: How about DELUXE? I know it's supposed to be two words but is so often used as one that I'm suprised it's not in. Was disallowed it on Apterous a while back and was shocked. You're not the only one.  Shhh I think that's bordering on a spoiler...... 
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Darren Carter
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:30 am |
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I'm suprised MUNTER isn't in yet as well.
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Eoin Monaghan
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:29 pm |
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The amount of times my name has come up at the start of a selection must be a record, although that's because I pick VVVCCCCC(V OR C). And they are also common letters, couldn't find any relative topic to post this in, so I put it here. 
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Shaun Hegarty
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:25 pm |
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D Eadie
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:31 pm |
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Kai Laddiman wrote: D Eadie wrote: GULLIBLE That's strange, I thought that was in. Reeled another one in i see. Good lord above. 
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Maxine Silkstone
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:12 pm |
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Kai Laddiman wrote: GLACIATED, GLACIATION... No GLACIATES  Maybe it happens too slowly to be present tense!
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Marc Meakin
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:35 pm |
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Charlie Reams wrote: CONMAN/CONMEN surprises a lot of people by its absence. Don't agree with PLAUDIT though, when would you ever use that in the singular? "He picked up the plaudits, actually I guess it was just the one plaudit." I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural
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Phil Reynolds
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:40 pm |
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marc meakin wrote: I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural It is a plural. It just happens to be one that isn't used in the singular form, like TWEEZERS/TWEEZER.
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Marc Meakin
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:47 pm |
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Phil Reynolds wrote: marc meakin wrote: I wrongly assumed PLAUDITS was a plural It is a plural. It just happens to be one that isn't used in the singular form, like TWEEZERS/TWEEZER. I thought TWEEZER was an agent noun
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Marc Meakin
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:54 pm |
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I tried to play IMBURSE once
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Gavin Chipper
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm |
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Kai Laddiman wrote: D Eadie wrote: GULLIBLE That's strange, I thought that was in. An interesting fact - the joke about GULLIBLE being taken out of the dictionary has been taken out of the joke book.
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Gavin Chipper
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:41 pm |
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Shaun Hegarty
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:31 pm |
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Matt Morrison
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:40 pm |
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Shaun Hegarty wrote: PLEASER? Someone clever will clear this up, but it's probably only ever used in the phrase "crowd pleaser", never on its own, so invalid.
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Ben Wilson
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:31 pm |
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STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage.
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Phil Reynolds
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:35 pm |
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Ben Wilson wrote: STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage. Is it (in common usage)? I've never heard it used as a verb, and the only derivative I've ever encountered is STRIMMER, which is in.
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Jon Corby
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:54 pm |
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Phil Reynolds wrote: Ben Wilson wrote: STRIM and all of its derivatives. Even in Scrabble it's no good despite being in common usage. Is it (in common usage)? I've never heard it used as a verb, and the only derivative I've ever encountered is STRIMMER, which is in. Strimming, as well as in the gardening sense, is also a term used by coin-op manufacturers for defrauding such devices. Obviously not that common usage, but if you've been involved in that field you'll have come across it plenty.
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David Williams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:37 pm |
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Going back to the first post, SOMEDAY is in, SAMOYED is out.
There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it?
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Kai Laddiman
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:42 pm |
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David Williams wrote: There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it? McDonalds?
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David O'Donnell
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:55 pm |
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I remember ROADSIDE wasn't in the NODE or due to some NODE technicality couldn't be accepted.
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Michael Wallace
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:00 pm |
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Kai Laddiman wrote: David Williams wrote: There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it? McDonalds? Don't be silly. (that's 9)
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Craig Beevers
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:14 pm |
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One particularly ridiculous omission is SHITTER. It isn't in CSW either. I'd have expected it to be allowed as a 1-syllable adjective in ODE.
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Matt Morrison
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:15 pm |
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Craig Beevers wrote: One particularly ridiculous omission is SHITTER. It isn't in CSW either. I'd have expected it to be allowed as a 1-syllable adjective in ODE. Good point. When I read that I didn't think of the adjective, was thinking more of the noun, as in "well that's a bit of a shitter isn't it?"
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Michael Wallace
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:18 pm |
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Oh yeah, and obviously MODDING should be in by now, and LOSSIER (although that has an anagram, so it's less of a big deal from a Countdown perspective).
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Darren Carter
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:45 pm |
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SHITFACE is in, but no SHITFACED.....
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David Williams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:48 pm |
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David O'Donnell wrote: I remember ROADSIDE wasn't in the NODE or due to some NODE technicality couldn't be accepted. No, that was the earlier dictionary that left out compound words whose meaning was obvious, in order to save space.
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David Williams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:51 pm |
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Tyron Potts wrote: Is it RINGROAD? No.
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:15 pm |
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I always believed the plural of Quorum to be Quorae, apparently not, Quorums it is. Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me?
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:01 am |
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Maxine Silkstone wrote: I always believed the plural of Quorum to be Quorae, apparently not, Quorums it is. Is this because the archaic Latin bits are being fazed out or does my 30 year old Latin grammar escape me? Yes (assuming you meant 'phased' - classical Greek's going, too  ) and yes: the plural of QUORUM would be ^QUORA, taking it as 2nd Declension, neuter, though as it's not actually a Latin noun, QUORUMS is OK.
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Craig Beevers
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:37 pm |
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Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day.
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Charlie Reams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:52 pm |
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Craig Beevers wrote: Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day. What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence?
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:54 pm |
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Charlie Reams wrote: Craig Beevers wrote: Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day. What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence? *makes up a sentence hilariously using summate to be "some ate" like the classic 'my coat has 10 buttons but I can only fascinate'*
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David Williams
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:39 pm |
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David Williams wrote: There is an eight letter word, not a proper noun, in common usage for many years, that you can see in letters two feet high all over the place, that was not in the NODE. What is it? Given the total lack of interest, I can reveal that although there are several meanings for REMOVAL in the NODE, including one about moving house, there is no hint that it is anything other than a mass noun, so REMOVALS is not allowed. One assumes the sides of furniture vans are not included in the British National Corpus.
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Craig Beevers
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:42 pm |
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Charlie Reams wrote: Craig Beevers wrote: Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day. What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence? It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it. Or are you just angling for Thesaurus Project so you can take a big black marker pen to a copy of ODE?
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:52 pm |
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Craig Beevers wrote: Charlie Reams wrote: Craig Beevers wrote: Summate I think should be in. Came up on Apterous the other day. What would it mean that "sum" doesn't? Have you ever used it in a sentence? It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it. I notice you've answered neither of Charlie's questions... It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in?
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:58 pm |
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Jon Corby wrote: *makes up a sentence hilariously using summate to be "some ate" like the classic 'my coat has 10 buttons but I can only fascinate'* Four plus four, summate. I'm here all week! 
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Craig Beevers
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:10 pm |
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Phil Reynolds wrote: Craig Beevers wrote: It's in dozens of dictionaries, gets plenty of hits on Google and even I've heard of it. I notice you've answered neither of Charlie's questions... It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in? Dozens of the more popular ones online. As for Collins it depends which one you use, regardless it's probably worse than a randomly chosen online source. And yes I've heard it used, probably in a maths lecture where they like to throw in less simple words for the sake of it. Doesn't alter how irrelevant those two questions are.
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Kirk Bevins wrote: POTTABLE Yeah, but TABLETOP is so much nicer.
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Post subject: Re: Words You Would Have Thought... Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:46 pm |
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Craig Beevers wrote: Phil Reynolds wrote: It's in neither Collins nor ODE - could you perhaps name a dozen or so of these dozens of dictionaries that it's apparently in? Dozens of the more popular ones online. So the answer to my question "could you perhaps name" them is no? Just so we're clear.
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