Disapproval

[Jason Larsen]

Hi, everyone!

So, I logged on to Apterous today and soon after found out that my bots were missing and that was because my subscription time had run out. That, I understand.

However, I was looking at my very bottom setting, and it said, "Trial player, 49 days left."

Charlie, I neglected to mention this to you, but right after I subscribed to the site, my mom made my close my Paypal account. This was because she said to me, "most people who attempt to make transactions are mean."

This is not to say that you are mean, but my mom said that you really never know what kind of people you run into when you make a Paypal account. I was not given notice of the matter at hand.

Please explain why you have done this now and remind me of what you do during the day.

Thank you!

[Ian Volante]

I've heard rumours that Charlie provides logistical and financial support to the semi-legal Chiffres et Lettres dens across Normandy.

[Charlie Reams]

Please explain why you have done this now and remind me of what you do during the day.

I did this now because your subscription ran out. I don't see the relevance of what I do during the day.

Edit: But yeah, what Ian said.

[Matthew Green]

my mom said that you really never know what kind of people you run into when you make a Paypal account.

I knew there was an explanation.

[Jason Larsen]

That's true, but why wasn't it this way before?

[Charlie Reams]

That's true, but why wasn't it this way before?

Your subscription hadn't run out before. Now it has.

[Gavin Chipper]

That's true, but why wasn't it this way before?

Your subscription hadn't run out before. Now it has.

He wants to know why

I was not given notice of the matter at hand.

[Charlie Reams]

That's true, but why wasn't it this way before?

Your subscription hadn't run out before. Now it has.

He wants to know why

I was not given notice of the matter at hand.

He wasn't given notice because there was no code to give notice, before I wrote it this morning. We've only just reached the point where people's subscriptions are likely to expire, so I didn't get around to it. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

But Jason asked why "it" wasn't this way before. I'm not sure what "it" refers to but no one has ever been given notice before so it's not that. Basically I have no idea what Jason is talking about.

[Jason Larsen]

Charlie, why weren't we given notice of the 50-game rule until just a few days ago?

[Andrew Feist]

Charlie, why weren't we given notice of the 50-game rule until just a few days ago?

I'm guessing it's because the 50-game rule didn't exist until a few days ago.

[Jason Larsen]

Ok

[peter lee]

I think a 50 game Rule is quite generous.

[Jason Larsen]

Hi, Peter!

I am not a new member.

Although I don't know who you are, I have been a member of Apterous for 2 years and have seen you for at least one. People should not have to donate any more than once if they do care to donate. I believe it was David O'Donnell who said he agreed with Charlie when he stated, "You'll never be stuck for an opponent again."

This is why I am shocked at the fact that Charlie says you have to donate as many times as you want to have such features as playing against bots.

[Jon O'Neill]

Jason, if you only knew how many hours Charlie had put into programming Apterous alongside me, you would think that the subscription fee is criminally cheap.

[Charlie Reams]

I have been a member of Apterous for 2 years

Apterous did not exist two years ago, so this is untrue. You've actually been a member since 13 September 2008, roughly 16 months.

It is made very clear when you sign up that £15 buys you one year. If you don't think it's worth £15 then don't pay.

[Alec Rivers]

Jason, you get roughly 4 games for a penny! (US cent). I call that good value.

[Based on the sort of usage I think one or two Apterites go in for: 3 games per hour, 8 hours per day.]

[Jason Larsen]

Charlie:

Please show me the page you view after you complete your 50 trial games on Apterous.

[Alec Rivers]

Charlie:
Please show me the page you view after you complete your 50 trial games on Apterous.

Or he's gonna sue yo ass.

[Jason Larsen]

Alec, no, there's got to be some way I can view that page!

[Charlie Reams]

Alec, no, there's got to be some way I can view that page!

There is no such page. What are you talking about?

[Kirk Bevins]

You've actually been a member since 13 September 2003, roughly 16 months.

I make this roughly 76 months.

[Charlie Reams]

You've actually been a member since 13 September 2003, roughly 16 months.

I make this roughly 76 months.

Haha. The 8 and 3 are like right next to each other.

[Michael Wallace]

I think what Jason is trying to say is

[Phil Collinge]

Jason, seriously, you need to get a grip.

You can barely buy a packet of fags and 2 pints of beer for the amount Charlie charges us per annum. If the fee were to be doubled (or even trebled) it would still be exceptional value for money.

If you can not justify to yourself why you should pay the subscription fee then I suggest you stop your pathetic whining and find yourself another site where you can play with yourself at such a reasonable cost.

[Jon Corby]

Charlie, I neglected to mention this to you, but right after I subscribed to the site, my mom made my close my Paypal account. This was because she said to me, "most people who attempt to make transactions are mean."

TBF your mum was pretty spot on on this occasion.

[Lesley Hines]

another site where you can play with yourself at such a reasonable cost.

Too many jokes! On the internet? Haha! I was going to post some helpful links but this is, after all, a family site.
Please stay legal tho, you've got to be careful with these 'special interest' sites.

[peter lee]

Hi, Peter!

I am not a new member.

Although I don't know who you are, I have been a member of Apterous for 2 years and have seen you for at least one. People should not have to donate any more than once if they do care to donate. I believe it was David O'Donnell who said he agreed with Charlie when he stated, "You'll never be stuck for an opponent again."

This is why I am shocked at the fact that Charlie says you have to donate as many times as you want to have such features as playing against bots.

Hi Jason,
I never said nor implied that you were not a new member. I don't know you either. Haven't seen anywhere that Charlie says you have to donate as many times as you want. Let's call a spade a spade here, There is a fantastic facility available to all in Apterous and the annual fee is really quite low for the value and time enjoyed by the members. A lot of time and effort has gone into the development of Apterous so dig deep and stop whining. I still think that Charlie giving a warning of 50 games left is very generous.

[Charlie Reams]

I spoke to Jason last night, and apparently his worry was that when the 50 games was up, he would be banned irreversably from logging in to apterous ever again. Obviously this would be pretty pointless, and bad business, so that's not what happens. I'm not sure how we were supposed to infer this from his ramblings above, but anyway that's the situation. Thanks to those who've defended me; I hope you make many transactions in the future, and are not mean in so doing.

[Miriam Nussbaum]

So, what does happen when the 50 games are up? We can still do everything we could as trial players before, except actually play?

(I was planning on subscribing at some point anyway, but now it will be even sooner. )

[Charlie Reams]

So, what does happen when the 50 games are up? We can still do everything we could as trial players before, except actually play?

Yep. You can log in, use chat etc as normal. At least, that's what's supposed to happen. No one's managed it yet.

[Jason Larsen]

I am having to jump through so many hoops to donate to Charlie, but I'm not giving up. As they say, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

[Alec Rivers]

As they say, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

If at first you don't succeed, don't take up skydiving.

[Jason Larsen]

And hope for no phishing, either

[Lesley Hines]

Jason, why don't you give your Mum $24 and ask her to send it via Paypal (in £sterling, obviously)? Charlie's had my email address since I joined, and apart from all the love letters he sends me it really hasn't been a problem. I'm sure she'll agree it's worth the 6 1/2c a day once you show her how excellent the site is. Otherwise please come back on and show us a better site.

(And Charlie, please tell Jean-Baptiste there's no way I'd do that!!)

[Charlie Reams]

And hope for no phishing, either

Phishing can only occur if the site you give your credit card details to is hacked or is itself untrustworthy. Since Paypal is a multibillion dollar business, that's really not likely.

[Jason Larsen]

What I'm doing is trying to open up another account and make my debit card the default payment method. It's as simple as that.