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by Brian Moore
Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:27 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Ideas
Replies: 25
Views: 3453

Re: Ideas

My idea is, tissue companies should sell advertising space on their tissues. I think that there used to be a toilet roll manufacturer who sold advertising to a company called Now Please Wash Your Hands. God, I can still remember that feel of that stuff from primary school 40 odd years ago. Less toi...
by Brian Moore
Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:33 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: (Power) Snooker
Replies: 7
Views: 2495

Re: (Power) Snooker

Those of us who recall Kirk Stevens' figure-hugging white suit, trousers forever threatening to burst as he half-straddled the table with the spider rest for yet another tricky corner shot, might respectfully beg to differ. Not quite sure how you managed to avoid talking about sinking balls into th...
by Brian Moore
Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:53 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Friday November 18th 2011
Replies: 12
Views: 2305

Re: Spoilers For Friday November 18th 2011

Amazed DC missed DEVIANT in round 1. Me too, I wondered if perhaps they had it but politely glossed over it to avoid embarrassing Paul, who spotted it two games earlier. I suspect that they were put off by having WANKED in the selection - see Rachel's & Paul's grins at the start, and then Paul'...
by Brian Moore
Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:54 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Nick Hewer, YOU'RE HIRED!!!
Replies: 204
Views: 38710

Re: Nick Hewer, YOU'RE HIRED!!!

He can keep a straight face. I reckon he'll get the grey vote (that'll be my mother), but won't frighten off the young 'uns either.
by Brian Moore
Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:22 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday November 16th 2011
Replies: 2
Views: 914

Re: Spoilers For Wednesday November 16th 2011

So, Jeff's replacement has been named as The Apprentice's Nick Hewer. It will be interesting to see his "dry wit and humour" when he takes over on January 9 next year. I wouldn't have known who he was if I hadn't seen him on Would I Lie To You (on one of the few times I've watched that) -...
by Brian Moore
Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:21 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday November 15th 2011
Replies: 9
Views: 2317

Re: Spoilers For Tuesday November 15th 2011

Jeff: Can you use it in a sentence? Susie: Good morning; that's a nice HELLOED. Or HULLOED. Or HALLOED. (I can't remember if there was an A in the selection, but there was a U, though I discounted the idea of HULLOED being allowed.) Why do they bother with the alternative spellings of HELLO? They d...
by Brian Moore
Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:16 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: C4C Photo Dump
Replies: 343
Views: 55227

Re: C4C Photo Dump

Matt Morrison wrote:I'll go down to a single photo per post.
Although I'd have to say that the first page of this thread takes me back to the early days and dial-up internet, when you could go and get a cup of tea and still get back in time to see the boobs appear, line by line.
by Brian Moore
Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:19 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Poppies
Replies: 16
Views: 3176

Re: Poppies

Robert Fisk wrote a nicely provocative article in The Independent. I can increasingly see his point. Poppies on the dancers in Strictly Come Dancing, Rachel sporting her designer poppy. I would be less inclined to agree with Fisk if there weren't the inflation in the poppy itself ("Look, mine's...
by Brian Moore
Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:46 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: C4C Link Dump
Replies: 329
Views: 60940

Re: C4C Link Dump

With my cycling hat on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qycF0raqpg This is an extraordinary bit of video from someone knocked off his bike - amazing mostly for how he stays completely calm despite a nasty tumble, a deaf emergency service operator, and a pig-ignorant woman (who happens to be 'driving...
by Brian Moore
Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:48 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: C4C Photo Dump
Replies: 343
Views: 55227

Re: C4C Photo Dump

And isn't that Brian in the red car? 1. My horn's longer than that. 2. It would be stupid to play a trumpet in a car while you're driving because it would be dangerous. 3. In any case, I only ever practise my tonguing on the mouthpiece when I'm driving. In case you're wondering, this is the sort of...
by Brian Moore
Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:52 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: C4C Photo Dump
Replies: 343
Views: 55227

Re: C4C Photo Dump

You're a saint, spending time trawling t'internet, purely for our amusement and astonishment. And both fewer and less fat people too.
by Brian Moore
Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:15 am
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Missing People
Replies: 16
Views: 4878

Re: Missing People

Joseph Krol wrote:Sophie is alive.
... and spending too much time on Google, I guess.
by Brian Moore
Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:24 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Guess who...
Replies: 476
Views: 53930

Re: Guess who...

Alexander Armstrong?
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:30 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Friday October 28th 2011
Replies: 8
Views: 2033

Re: Spoilers For Friday October 28th 2011

Just to say that I thought Cheryl Baker was a good DC guest overall. The stories weren't overly exciting (er, no), but at least she wasn't reading out of a book or being Jon Gaunt. And she seemed to be making a real effort to get words, and making some good spots too (and crediting Susie when they w...
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:03 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Lesley, I see that your one post in the Corbythread (TM) hasn't been deleted, despite the fact that it's intelligible and properly punctuated. (Though perhaps your being a woman counts in your favour.)

Incidentally, the Guardian are still on the case, even if it's not new news.
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:15 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Jon Corby wrote:
Brian Moore wrote:
Jon Corby wrote:What can I say, I'm all about giving the people what they want.
A bit like Sally Morgan, then.
Hahaha, pretty much, yeah!
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:36 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Jon Corby wrote:
Brian Moore wrote:I see Jon's been back in action.
Haha. Do you know why I went back? I got some fan mail from 5 different strangers who were "loving my work" on there. What can I say, I'm all about giving the people what they want.
A bit like a porn star, then.
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:38 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

I see Jon's been back in action.

Is there a reason the most vitriolic and brainless defenders of PS on that page are women? (Oh dear, that sounds horribly sexist - sorry.)
by Brian Moore
Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:08 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Chapsticks
Replies: 12
Views: 2295

Re: Chapsticks

Jon Corby wrote:You could've quoted the whole post tbf, it reads like it was written by a porn star.
Probably wouldn't be a wise career move as I teach as well. I'll stick to blowing raspberries into a lump of metal otherwise.
by Brian Moore
Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:29 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Mark James wrote:Religion is wank.
I think "wonk" is the word of the moment - deployed to good effect by Phil Hammond on Question Time on Thursday. It left Andrew Lansley lost for words.
by Brian Moore
Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:50 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Chapsticks
Replies: 12
Views: 2295

Re: Chapsticks

I tried it for a while, but stopped within a week or two as I reckoned that my lips stopped producing their own 'moistness', and I was then dependent on the salve. Given that I make my living from my lips, they need to be in top condition, and I think that they are best at doing that themselves, at ...
by Brian Moore
Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:26 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Are you sure the DC guest has an earpiece? I know Susie does, but I'm not sure the same is true of the guest. From the way that some DC guests mangle the pronunciation of words fed by Susie, my guess is that they don't have an earpiece - leading to the comical spectacle of some of them trying to ap...
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:04 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Oh, I see you've come to a similar conclusion, Jon. I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did. I have to admit, I do enjoy those kinds of discussions though :mrgreen: We don't get them much on here, we have had the odd idiot of that kind of calibre, but they don't tend to last that long. Full mar...
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:53 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Your debates on there are amusing and futile. And now Charlie's waded in. More entertainment. Of all the groups of people who are going to be impervious to reason and logic, I think Psychic Sally's supporters might be amongst the most resilient, mixing blind faith with stupidity. Oh, I see you've c...
by Brian Moore
Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:56 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Thursday October 13th 2011
Replies: 17
Views: 3501

Re: Spoilers For Thursday October 13th 2011

James Robinson wrote:back-to-back female octochamps
Which one is doing the show facing the wrong way then?
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:58 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Charlie Reams wrote:Excellent. This is quite painful to watch.
Hahaha - equally splendid. She'd have had as much luck fishing for cod in the Sahara Desert. On the left hand side.
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:33 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday October 11th 2011
Replies: 8
Views: 2374

Re: Spoilers For Tuesday October 11th 2011

Definition from Chambers but similar definitions also found on several websites. I've been caught out the same way several times. Counts for nothing here. It's doubly annoying when words you know that are in widespread use (e.g. 'laggy') don't appear in the official list, but other synthetic epheme...
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:22 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally
Replies: 89
Views: 17612

Re: Paul Zenon vs Psychic Sally

Paul Zenon jumps several points in my estimation for his sticking the boot in . Psychic Sally will have to fight the legal battle on several fronts now, if she thinks she's got a case - it's all over t'internet, including Youtube footage from her own video of her removing an earpiece . And there was...
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:12 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Which newspaper do you read?
Replies: 12
Views: 2607

Re: Which newspaper do you read?

I'm one of the reasons the newspapers are in such financial difficulties. I gave up buying the Independent after about 20 years of doing so, as it was costing me £500 a year. I now read it, the Telegraphs & Guardian/Observer online. I like a spread of views, so I can ignore them all.
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:07 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: How tired are you today?
Replies: 21
Views: 4572

Re: How tired are you today?

Phil Reynolds wrote:Which is nice, as it's my birthday.
Happy Birthday!

(Now does your signature need updating?)
by Brian Moore
Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:35 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: How tired are you today?
Replies: 21
Views: 4572

Re: How tired are you today?

Have been a bit tired since doing a gig finishing at 1am last Saturday, then only having 5 hours sleep that night then doing a show every night this week (bloody Iolanthe - shame I can't sleep through that.) But generally I aim for 8 hours sleep after my normal active days - on average I cycle about...
by Brian Moore
Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:13 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday October 5th 2011
Replies: 9
Views: 2115

Re: Spoilers For Wednesday October 5th 2011

Look on the bright side - it might persuade some more non-NBGs (Nerdy Boy Graduates) to apply, if they were able to beat today's two contestants.
by Brian Moore
Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:15 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Countdown mentions on other shows
Replies: 315
Views: 140825

Re: Countdown mentions on other shows

Jeremy Hardy mentioned Countdown in the news Quiz last week, and mused on his not being asked back to be a DC guest after his one week. Sounded quite sad to have been spurned. But he always sounds a bit sad. I can't remember having seen him on CD, and if I did see him whether he was any good. Obviou...
by Brian Moore
Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:27 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Has anyone...
Replies: 53
Views: 8854

Re: Has anyone...

Jon Corby wrote:Coincidence? That was broadcast about a week ago - it's blatant plagiarism
I guess they edited out the bit about him reading c4c in case people thought he was some kind of weirdo.
by Brian Moore
Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:14 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Has anyone...
Replies: 53
Views: 8854

Re: Has anyone...

Marcus Brigstocke has:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/
about 24 minutes in .... he mentions exactly this.

Or should this be in the coincidences thread?
by Brian Moore
Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:49 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday September 21st 2011
Replies: 6
Views: 1199

Re: Spoilers For Wednesday September 21st 2011

BALLSED in the ALBEDOS round, and INGRATES in the round which looked like it should have had a 9. A not-inspiring contest today, but Dave Spikey makes a good effort again - at least he prepares his pieces and they are vaguely amusing (even if they don't have me splitting my sides), and he does his o...
by Brian Moore
Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:42 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Music
Replies: 295
Views: 87232

Re: Music

I don't follow the normal culture and views that come along with it. I was definitely the odd one out when I was at school. Never listened to pop music (Dad watched Top of the Pops with the sound turned down so he could see Pan's People every week), Radio 3 was on the whole time at home, and I got ...
by Brian Moore
Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:46 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Music
Replies: 295
Views: 87232

Re: Music

It confers no genetic selection advantage on any level I can think of, unless it's just a really obtuse social construct. There is a bunch of theories about this, I don't know which one is currently popular There are two that have lodged in my mind (no citations, but could dig them out eventually) ...
by Brian Moore
Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:56 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Monday September 12th 2011
Replies: 5
Views: 1104

Re: Spoilers For Monday September 12th 2011

James Robinson wrote:Well, it was a stinky one, I only just about got to 263. That and the conundrum really ruined my game today. :(
I got to 256 quickly 8*8(9+1-6) but then got stuck. Dead end.

SYNODS as an alternative to SOUNDS.
by Brian Moore
Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:31 pm
Forum: Countdown - General
Topic: Do you still watch Countdown?
Replies: 35
Views: 8362

Re: Do you still watch Countdown?

Nearly always. I've got out of the habit of practising my trumpet while watching, but need to get back into that. I always watch it on 4oD, with Adblock Plus on, so no adverts. I always skip to 5:00 which is the length of the intro, skip through the DC guest as apart from the odd interesting one, th...
by Brian Moore
Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:17 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Friday September 9th 2011
Replies: 4
Views: 1507

Re: Spoilers For Friday September 9th 2011

LITREAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGE in round 12. That's one I spotted (in its more conventional spelling) and checked on Lexplorer, which said "This word has an estimated obscurity of 99% (very rare)." Really? Out of interest, how is the rarity calculated? (It's OK, I'm just interested, not looking ...
by Brian Moore
Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:53 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday September 6th 2011
Replies: 3
Views: 1020

Re: Spoilers For Tuesday September 6th 2011

PONGIER in one of the rounds, and I saw SEMEN on the board in the COMES round.
by Brian Moore
Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:34 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Friday September 2nd 2011
Replies: 7
Views: 2221

Re: Spoilers for Friday September 2nd 2011

Oliver Garner wrote:One of the best heat games I've seen in a while. Two good quality contestants and a crucial conundrum to boot. More of the same please Damian!
Indeed - and no Nerdy Boy Graduates either. It's been a good week for Countdown.
by Brian Moore
Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:13 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers for Thursday September 1st 2011
Replies: 15
Views: 3946

Re: Spoilers for Thursday September 1st 2011

Josh Hurst wrote:Well played Dave. Was I the only one who thought that Richard had a resemblance to John Malkovich?
I was thinking he would make a good cool criminal or spy in a film, but I can see what you mean. SHOWMEN and TONTINE as equallers wherever.

Good contest, and well done to Dave - very entertaining.
by Brian Moore
Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:17 pm
Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
Topic: Spoilers For Thursday August 25th 2011
Replies: 7
Views: 1493

Re: Spoilers For Thursday August 25th 2011

P.S. Did I notice Andy Wilson sitting near the back of the audience at the end.......... :?: Sorry, was there someone else in the audience apart from the person who got the conundrum? I didn't notice... Anyway, she quite took my mind off the fact that I'd got two conundrums in two days that the con...
by Brian Moore
Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:22 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Signs of the times
Replies: 42
Views: 5796

Re: Signs of the times

Queuing in a coach to get on the ferry to go to Bruges, 2010

Image
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:34 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Has anyone...
Replies: 53
Views: 8854

Re: Has anyone...

Thanks to this thread, yesterday I noticed that the Dyson Airblade in the Tate St Ives is at a very particular height, though I suspect had I tried it for size and been seen, even there I would have struggled to pass off the ensemble (the Airblade and me) as an art installation (though I did once se...
by Brian Moore
Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:34 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Riots
Replies: 176
Views: 16381

Re: Riots

And good to see largely good grammar, capitalisation and punctuation.

Oh, sorry, wrong thread.
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:01 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Vord at the (white) board
Replies: 26
Views: 5466

Re: Vord at the (white) board

Besides, I really don't think people who aren't going to benefit should leave school at 18 instead of 16. But surely you can see the logic of the government's argument, Lesley?: "We haven't managed to teach them all we think they ought to know in twelve years, and we haven't made them love mat...
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:11 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Vord at the (white) board
Replies: 26
Views: 5466

Re: Vord at the (white) board

Although to be fair, I did Pure and Applied (because that's what my brother did) but I was rubbish at physics so I was completely hopeless on the applied bit! Given I was doing French, Spanish and English as well, I don't know why anyone thought Applied would be a good idea! I did Pure and Applied ...
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:51 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Vord at the (white) board
Replies: 26
Views: 5466

Re: Vord at the (white) board

One vote for scanning them in from me :) Done - here . All my O-, AO- and A-level papers. It's a tribute to my teachers and my ability and industriousness over three years that I got A for O-level, C for AO-level, and O for A-level. Hmm. I've just dug out my 1979 O-level maths papers (yes, sad, I k...
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:28 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Vord at the (white) board
Replies: 26
Views: 5466

Re: Vord at the (white) board

I've just dug out my 1979 O-level maths papers (yes, sad, I know), and though obviously we weren't allowed calculators, the instructions tell you to write "SR" next to any answers for which you used your slide rule. If it would amuse/interest anyone, I can scan the papers in for inspection...
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:41 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Vord at the (white) board
Replies: 26
Views: 5466

Re: Vord at the (white) board

Marc Meakin wrote:Oh and do People still study Logarithms?
Not routinely at school. Even at the academic independent school at which I teach, the pupils look blank when I ask them if they've ever seen a slide rule. I liked my slide rule. I never used it outside of maths lessons, but I still liked it.
by Brian Moore
Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:04 am
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Vord at the (white) board
Replies: 26
Views: 5466

Re: Vord at the (white) board

If Carol's too stupid to realise this then she'll probably have a great career in politics. Or perhaps she could see if she could do something on TV. I'm reminded of the debate about the other end of schooling. I was listening to some programme (several years ago) that came up with the shocking fig...
by Brian Moore
Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:08 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Grammar Fails
Replies: 6
Views: 1643

Re: Grammar Fails

I never ever get into a tangle with my grammar or say wrong words, especially when I've got a microphone in my hand, and an audience waiting for me to say something informative and/or amusing.
by Brian Moore
Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:53 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Punctuation.
Replies: 18
Views: 3229

Re: Punctuation.

(It seems I keep doing this to you, I hope you don't think I'm a dick. Or at least, not more so than I actually am.) You're not a dick if you're just telling me stuff I could have Googled/Sophied for myself, if I had taken the time. But I tend to like to think about the significance of stuff (and r...
by Brian Moore
Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:23 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Punctuation.
Replies: 18
Views: 3229

Re: Punctuation.

Apologies for unacademic ramblings.... I favour written English that I can read with the fewest 'hiccups', and being able to understand correctly, first time, what the writer has written (if that is what the writer wants me to do). On the whole I think that means generally accepting and using 'stand...
by Brian Moore
Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:49 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Riots
Replies: 176
Views: 16381

Re: Riots

Whose focus are we talking about here? There's certainly a media focus on that. I don't defend the violence, looting or arson, but if you get distracted by that then you miss the serious part of what's happening. Unfortunately I only have the media to go on (though I haven't seen any live TV news),...
by Brian Moore
Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:38 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Riots
Replies: 176
Views: 16381

Re: Riots

I wouldn't assume that. Someone got this thing started and they must've been motivated by something more than the free trainers. Of course you get your usual troublemakers, as with the university fees protests and anything else. This feels different from previous violent occasions. I might be wrong...
by Brian Moore
Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:45 pm
Forum: Off-topic
Topic: Riots
Replies: 176
Views: 16381

Re: Riots

Just came on to see if there was a topic on this. I like the thought that someone would come on to a forum for a game show about words and numbers in response to the worst rioting we've seen in this country in twenty years. But I'm not surprised. The level of debate (for instance) that c4c had abou...