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- Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:47 am
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sleeping Beauty Problem
- Replies: 53
- Views: 8155
Re: Sleeping Beauty Problem
I wonder if part of the difficulty here is that there is more than one party involved, and that Beauty does not know the outcome of the coin toss. I use a somewhat unusual circular train line. There are only three stations, trains run in both directions, on the hour in one direction and on the half ...
- Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:37 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sleeping Beauty Problem
- Replies: 53
- Views: 8155
Re: Sleeping Beauty Problem
I'm with Ian on this one. No matter how much extra information you give me, the probability is always going to be 1/2. It's a fair coin. End of. So you repeat the experiment 100 times. 50 times the coin is heads, and each time you wake up once. 50 times the coin is tails, and each time you wake up ...
- Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:16 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sleeping Beauty Problem
- Replies: 53
- Views: 8155
Re: Sleeping Beauty Problem
In case anyone is still struggling - and it took me a while to be convinced. If it's heads you'll wake up once, if it's tails you'll wake up twice. If you can persuade someone to enter into a wager where you give them £1 every time you wake if it was heads, and they give you £1 if it was tails, they...
- Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:23 am
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sleeping Beauty Problem
- Replies: 53
- Views: 8155
Re: Sleeping Beauty Problem
It's got to be half. Suppose you were given a lethal drug, and only given the antidote if a coin came up heads. If you woke, you'd know it was heads. But that doesn't mean it would come up heads every time. It would come up heads every time given that you woke up . So from your point of view (which...
- Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:10 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Sleeping Beauty Problem
- Replies: 53
- Views: 8155
Re: Sleeping Beauty Problem
It's got to be half.
Suppose you were given a lethal drug, and only given the antidote if a coin came up heads. If you woke, you'd know it was heads. But that doesn't mean it would come up heads every time.
Suppose you were given a lethal drug, and only given the antidote if a coin came up heads. If you woke, you'd know it was heads. But that doesn't mean it would come up heads every time.
- Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:31 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Where are they now?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 4600
Where are they now?
The dictionaries, that is. While they may be a wonderful prize if you own a mansion, there aren't many champions these days who appear to be so fortunate. One suspect most are destined for the winner's mum's attic. Or do people donate them to schools or universities? And now that there's a trophy, i...
- Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:05 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday June 15th 2010
- Replies: 22
- Views: 3641
Re: Spoilers For Tuesday June 15th 2010
Jesus that was a good game. Craig as usual was unreal on the numbers, probably the best player ever (or at least, that I've seen). No reason to think he can't beat the#1 seed. BTW on the decrees round, did he ask for a consonant when Rachel gave the the final 'U'? If so, I misheard. I thought you w...
- Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:39 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday June 9th 2010
- Replies: 78
- Views: 6350
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday June 9th 2010
One does wonder why Dictionary Corner can't just write words down rather than whisper to each other. Maybe your typical celebrity doesn't read or write so well. When Susie does that, you get your "SEABED" moments and it's no less embarrassing. Best bit of the whole show. Didn't Susie once...
- Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:50 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday June 9th 2010
- Replies: 78
- Views: 6350
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday June 9th 2010
One does wonder why Dictionary Corner can't just write words down rather than whisper to each other. Maybe your typical celebrity doesn't read or write so well.
- Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:08 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Wednesday June 9th 2010
- Replies: 78
- Views: 6350
Re: Spoilers For Wednesday June 9th 2010
If you overheard Susie & the DC guest whisper a good word to each other and nobody realised I guess you could claim it. "In the rules" though? Of course not. That happened to me. After about five seconds the DC guest whispered a word so loudly that my opponent in the challenger's chai...
- Tue May 18, 2010 5:59 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Electoral Reform
- Replies: 58
- Views: 6311
Re: Electoral Reform
MPs are likely to be too busy to be able to have much impact on their own constituency and while I wouldn't do away with local MPs, I think the idea of it is much bigger than the reality. Busy doing what, exactly? Given the rows of empty seats most of the time, not actually in the debating chamber....
- Thu May 13, 2010 10:29 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Current recaps
- Topic: Thursday 13th May 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 84)
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1586
Re: Thursday 13th May 2010 (Series 62, Prelim 84)
POTEENS is consistent with other plural mass nouns, but surely Susie has disallowed it in the past.
- Thu May 13, 2010 12:48 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Trade Secrets
- Replies: 155
- Views: 51936
Re: Trade Secrets
Mind you, this sort of thing inspired Viz, so it's not all bad: "SAVE ELECTRICITY by shortening the cables to all your household electric appliances."[/url] I once saw, in the middle of a list of genuine tips, the suggestion that you could save the trouble of blown fuses by replacing them...
- Wed May 12, 2010 10:36 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Trade Secrets
- Replies: 155
- Views: 51936
Re: Trade Secrets
If you come up to temporary traffic lights on red, flash your lights and they will change. My son works for a company that hires them out, and he says this is a complete fallacy. But he would, wouldn't he? It always works for me. Eventually.
- Wed May 12, 2010 6:26 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Electoral Reform
- Replies: 58
- Views: 6311
Re: Electoral Reform
Given that ~75% constituencies are pretty safe (I admit that I pulled that out of the air, but I don't think anywhere near this many seats change hands in the average election), that's a large amount of people to potentially vote to give their own votes more power. In a seat where 80% of the electo...
- Sat May 08, 2010 12:34 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Electoral Reform
- Replies: 58
- Views: 6311
Re: Electoral Reform
One good thing about the current system is that you get to vote for an individual. There seem to have been quite a few instances of "good" incumbents surviving against the national trend, and "bad" ones being kicked out. I have ten MEPs. Eight of them are in practice selected by ...
- Fri May 07, 2010 10:57 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Two Towers
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4191
Re: Two Towers
Try it!
- Fri May 07, 2010 6:25 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Two Towers
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4191
Re: Two Towers
No. What I'm saying is that taking the top card off the shuffled pack is the same as if you didn't complete the shuffle, but left the two halves as separate piles and took the top card off one or other at random. For example, the two piles could be as follows (top on the left) Face down. H C D S H C...
- Fri May 07, 2010 1:03 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Two Towers
- Replies: 23
- Views: 4191
Re: Two Towers
Group them so that each of the four thirteens contains one of each of A, 2, 3 etc. in the same order. Also arrange such that they are S, H, C, D, S, H, C, D etc. Cutting changes nothing. Shuffling in this way is the equivalent of starting at one random card and working up or down from that randomly....
- Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:31 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday 27th April 2010
- Replies: 19
- Views: 3226
Re: Spoilers For Tuesday 27th April 2010
Sometimes I get frustrated when Rachel's method is very very similar to the contestants and just involves splitmultiplicationising it, yet she presents it in a totally different-looking way. I think usually the contestants don't see the link at all and it's a shame Rachel doesn't get another 10 sec...
- Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:50 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 19340
Re: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
Neologism of the week. Covers just about anything!Sue Sanders wrote:charater assissignation
- Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:50 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 19340
Re: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
I like James (met him at my finals)...think you were with your sister and I asked you to get her to come sit with us but you didn't - I'll hate you forever for that. On the serious side, I'm not sure why you feel c4c sucks and you have to defect, as it were. Cheers Kirk, plus my Mum was delighted t...
- Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:27 am
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers for Friday 23rd April 2010
- Replies: 68
- Views: 9749
Re: Spoilers for Friday 23rd April 2010
I watched the whole programme thinking firstly that we'd had a decent run of good contestants of late, and secondly that the challenger looked vaguely familiar. Unlucky, Phil. Might be worth asking Damian for another go while he's in a good mood.
- Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:10 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 19340
Re: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
Damian Eadie........ irony-free zone.
Good night.
Good night.
- Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:48 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 19340
Re: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
Wow... this is amazing. Hilarious, but amazing. I think this one highlight alone is what says it all for me: Blimey - the ugly stick has been welded with relish on today's contestants! If anyone wants to leave here and join there after reading that, then good riddance. You're being a bit unfair her...
- Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:33 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 19340
Re: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
I was reading the Name My Child thread and thinking that I sometimes feel I don't quite know what's going on. Now I'm sure of it. Anyway, I'm off to join the new lot. I'm voting UKIP as well. David, I am not sure what to make of you at times but this is LOL! I'm the voice of reason. The EEC was set...
- Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:58 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
- Replies: 117
- Views: 19340
Re: TIME FOR A CHANGE?
I was reading the Name My Child thread and thinking that I sometimes feel I don't quite know what's going on. Now I'm sure of it.
Anyway, I'm off to join the new lot. I'm voting UKIP as well.
Anyway, I'm off to join the new lot. I'm voting UKIP as well.
- Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:28 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: The Matt Morrison Computer Corner
- Replies: 452
- Views: 124211
Re: The Matt Morrison Computer Corner
Sysinternals Process Explorer is what you need, an official Microsoft development team thing. It's like an enhanced version of the Task Manager, you can see what is currently taking up memory and CPU cycles, get info on the processes and so on. I don't know much about logging, I've never needed to ...
- Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:18 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: The Matt Morrison Computer Corner
- Replies: 452
- Views: 124211
Re: The Matt Morrison Computer Corner
I've never had any real problems, or nothing that System Restore hasn't sorted. However there are times when my computer chunters away to itself for ten or fifteen minutes. Is it possible to find out what it's doing? I'd like to think it was just updating something I know about, like the anti-virus,...
- Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:29 am
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday April 13th 2010
- Replies: 19
- Views: 4201
Re: Spoilers For Tuesday April 13th 2010
I'm pretty strongly of the view that you shouldn't criticise contestants (except for cheating), but I don't see any great harm in noting low scores - so long as you don't go on about it too much. [/url] Completely agree. It's rather like hearing that Liverpool are crap and will prob finish 7th in t...
- Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:34 pm
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Tuesday April 13th 2010
- Replies: 19
- Views: 4201
Re: Spoilers For Tuesday April 13th 2010
I'm pretty strongly of the view that you shouldn't criticise contestants (except for cheating), but I don't see any great harm in noting low scores - so long as you don't go on about it too much. Low winning scores come about when there aren't many tied rounds, and that can be because of good play. ...
- Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:18 am
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: The C4C Football Thread
- Replies: 1265
- Views: 217825
Re: The C4C Football Thread
Yes. All you have to do is pay up and go and actually support your team. It looks just like the real thing.Andy Wilson wrote:Anyone else been watching in 3D?
- Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:18 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Degrees of separation
- Replies: 35
- Views: 3962
Re: Degrees of separation
One of the unsung successes of recent Governments has been reducing the number of unemployed not by creating jobs, but by persuading people to stay out of the market. Getting people to take gap years, productive or otherwise, is clever, but getting them to borrow money to fund years of education of ...
- Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:22 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Advice wanted
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2718
Re: Advice wanted
Advice for normal people. First thing is to get through the audition. Remember the selections are not random as they are on the show. There are eight and nine letter words in there. (Don't think I'm giving any secrets away. You can audition more than once, so any second-timer must know this.) Best r...
- Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:59 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Not just a word (it's a sentence)
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2992
Re: Not just a word (it's a sentence)
That's how I understand it too. I don't mean to sound morbid and interfering, Jon (but I'll say it anyway!), if I were you, I'd make an honest woman of your beloved, or at least get a good solicitor to draw up a will to make sure she's not left high and dry if the worst happens, or indeed the other...
- Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:55 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Not just a word (it's a sentence)
- Replies: 25
- Views: 2992
Re: Not just a word (it's a sentence)
As I understand you are already in a civil partnership whether you had a formal ceremony or not, as the legal implications are (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) that if you and your partner split up, in the eyes of the law your partner is entitled to half of your assets due to the lengthy and domes...
- Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:50 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Yearly Champion
- Replies: 116
- Views: 13193
Re: Yearly Champion
Been thinking a bit more about the "polite note" in the green room asking contestants to think of the "televisual side of things". I have to say that when a contestant comes on who clearly isn't good at this side of things, all I can think is what a bonus it is that Countdown's o...
- Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:53 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Yearly Champion
- Replies: 116
- Views: 13193
Re: Yearly Champion
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular by the way. There are lots of quiet contestants - is the evidence really there that CofC contestants are overall "worse" in this respect than your average contestant? Or, perhaps more significantly, have the viewers noticed/mentioned it? I sometime...
- Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:09 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Yearly Champion
- Replies: 116
- Views: 13193
Re: Yearly Champion
The original suggestion was that there be a yearly champion, and the question was whether it was reasonable to have this immediately after the series final. Some good points were made about the practicalities, and most people welcomed the idea - so long as CoC continued. But now it seems that actual...
- Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:01 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Yearly Champion
- Replies: 116
- Views: 13193
Re: Yearly Champion
Not quite what I was expecting as a response! However, it does suggest that two of the things 'wrong' with CoC 2000, the need to seed series champions and the exclusion of worthy players, would be solve by doing it annually as Mike Brown suggested. I'm not totally convinced yet. If the series champi...
- Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:26 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Yearly Champion
- Replies: 116
- Views: 13193
Re: Yearly Champion
Mike Brown's format is similar to the CoC that Scott Mearns won. That had four series winners, plus two losing finalists. Scott and Kate Ogilvie were given byes to the semis (not sure how that was decided) and they duly won and contested the final. At the time I was new to Countdown, and didn't know...
- Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:01 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Yearly Champion
- Replies: 116
- Views: 13193
Re: Yearly Champion
Great idea. Countdown Champion 2010 sounds much better than Series Champion. But am I alone in thinking April 1st has come early. If anyone else had suggested this it would have been ridiculed. We have champions, series champions, champions of champions. We even had a supreme champion once. So what ...
- Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:06 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Happy 5000 to us.
- Replies: 27
- Views: 4483
Re: Happy 5000 to us.
I hadn't noticed any difference.D Eadie wrote:All enough to turn anyone insane.
- Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:16 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Happy 5000 to us.
- Replies: 27
- Views: 4483
Re: Happy 5000 to us.
Is there a league table of contributors? Carol must still be way in front for the number of appearances, but is there anyone behind the scenes with an even better count? I know there's been a good few long-servers, which I'm sure is a big factor in Countdown's longevity. Anyone with a full 5000? The...
- Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:20 am
- Forum: Countdown - Spoilers
- Topic: Spoilers For Monday March 22nd 2010
- Replies: 40
- Views: 4711
Re: Spoilers For Monday March 22nd 2010
Do not be mistaken, do not be misled.Ryan Taylor wrote:You liked the feel of his silky smooth Liverpudlian hands too?Kirk Bevins wrote:I shook hands with Davies at the start, after the conundrum and at the end
He is not a Scouser, he's from Birkenhead.
- Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:19 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Octochamp stats
- Replies: 38
- Views: 4884
Re: Octochamp stats
You realise that if the format ever changes again a new generation deems the new way the only way that counts, and all your stats go out of the window. (This all starts to sound a bit serious. Tongue still firmly in cheek here.)
- Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:59 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Octochamp stats
- Replies: 38
- Views: 4884
Re: Octochamp stats
I think David is doing a funny joke about how his percentage maximum is higher, although he was playing a different number of rounds in a different format. Not quite sure why the number of rounds affects percentages, nor how the format differs. Maybe it's similar to the way that football didn't exi...
- Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:50 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: Octochamp stats
- Replies: 38
- Views: 4884
Re: Octochamp stats
I was 51. And I think you mean top 9.Charlie Reams wrote:It tells you something about the last series that there were 3 new entries into the top 8 octochamps by percentage...
- Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:29 pm
- Forum: Off-topic
- Topic: Help with shipping contract clause
- Replies: 12
- Views: 2025
Re: Help with shipping contract clause
I think it means that there is (or will be) an agreed volume on the contract and this is the minimum he will be charged for, even if he needs less volume because they are going to reserve that amount of space regardless. However, should he need more space, the amount charged will be increased "...
- Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:06 am
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Bacon/Bevins numbers
- Replies: 21
- Views: 5749
Re: Bacon/Bevins numbers
There was a ladies' mini-series during Cheltenham week in 2003 which crossed the SC divide, as did the special between Mike Brown and Nita Marr. Not sure if there are any others, but in any event that should be sufficient to make sure that everyone who's appeared in a televised game is linked throu...
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:27 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Bacon/Bevins numbers
- Replies: 21
- Views: 5749
Re: Bacon/Bevins numbers
There was a ladies' mini-series during Cheltenham week in 2003 which crossed the SC divide, as did the special between Mike Brown and Nita Marr. Not sure if there are any others, but in any event that should be sufficient to make sure that everyone who's appeared in a televised game is linked throu...
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:25 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Bacon/Bevins numbers
- Replies: 21
- Views: 5749
Re: Bacon/Bevins numbers
Good spot.Innis Carson wrote:Unless I'm not noticing something, everyone who played between Judith Young finishing her octorun and Frank Mulvey "retiring" in Series 53 is isolated from the rest. Don't know whether or not any of them have been in co-events or anything though.
- Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:51 pm
- Forum: Games and Puzzles
- Topic: Bacon/Bevins numbers
- Replies: 21
- Views: 5749
Re: Bacon/Bevins numbers
In the normal run, everyone in a series will be connected, so long as no champion retires undefeated and does not appear in the finals. And successive series are linked by CoC Just had a look, and I see the winner of the last ordinary programme before the Supreme Championship qualified for the serie...
- Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:51 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 4438
Re: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
I actually wrote it initially as subtlity for your benefit, but re-wrote in deference to your sensitive nature.Jon Corby wrote:subtlety is a noun, and not to be confused with subtlely, which is a deeply retarded mis-spelling of subtly, which is an adverb.
- Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:35 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 4438
Re: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
Maybe calling her a racist is a bit much but didn't you think she was a 'hare's breadth' away from saying that "political correctness has gone crazy"? I've been waiting several days for one of the many pedants other than me to pick up on this one. Where are you all? Or is there some subtl...
- Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:33 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 4438
Re: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7052128.ece At one time Question Time always had three politicians and one 'ordinary' person. The wife of a work colleague of mine, who was something big in something like the WI, was once on the panel, and I remember him telling me how hard it w...
- Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:37 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 4438
Re: POLL: CV PR fail on QT?
One of my favourites for the "Words Changing Meaning" thread. Unless of course you mean she managed to combine all the qualities of all the panellists, which I doubt.David O'Donnell wrote:She kept it mathematical anyway since she was all about the lowest common denominator.
- Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:51 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: 'I've been told I'm never welcome in the studio again'
- Replies: 49
- Views: 6170
Re: 'I've been told I'm never welcome in the studio again'
Aren't most people on here (including you) just believing what they want to be the case based on very little evidence? No evidence that it isn't Carol making shit up, but what is the evidence that she is making shit up? Anyway, this Carol-bashing is too much for me. I will have to start a new forum...
- Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:48 am
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: 'I've been told I'm never welcome in the studio again'
- Replies: 49
- Views: 6170
Re: 'I've been told I'm never welcome in the studio again'
Funny how so many people never really liked Carol anyway. Funny, that is, that they never mentioned it at the time. I can't say I was ever a fan, in the sense that seeing a new programme advertised as "presented by CV" would have me searching for another channel, but I thought she was trem...
- Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:58 pm
- Forum: Countdown - General
- Topic: 'I've been told I'm never welcome in the studio again'
- Replies: 49
- Views: 6170
Re: 'I've been told I'm never welcome in the studio again'
I don't know the figures, but suppose Rachel gets £100k and Jeff gets more and Countdown gets two million viewers and makes a profit and everyone's happy. If Countdown then goes up to four million viewers it doubles its income, but it still costs the same to produce, so profits rise enormously. But ...